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Schedules etc (June 2004)

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DA
DAS Founding member
p_c_u_k posted:
Sorry DAS, as you may have gathered I haven't got the hang of quoting effectively yet. I'll leave it out this time around.

I'd accept your point if we had the old pan-European Eurosport, but this was on British Eurosport, with a panel and commentary team for British viewers only, who were using the word 'we' liberally. They just managed to stick to the game, while admitting they were hardly impartial, rather than giving us the jingoistic and irrelevant nonsense the BBC fed us.


That doesn't matter, they're catering for completely different audiences and requirements. Eurosport will concentrate on the sport for sports fans. They will look at the game in hand. They still retain the editorial direction of Eurosport as a whole.

The BBC is providing football for a mass audience. They are showing it as entertainment rather than a more specific analysis of the English game. That is the fact here. The analysis is anecdotal rather than scientific.

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And the BBC is broadcasting to four nations, but that's an entirely different argument (which I'd say we've already gone through to death) altogether...


It is indeed and I'm bored of that one as well. All I will say is that with the UK being composed of four nations, it doesn't mean the pride of the nations and support of the nations should be diluted to a quarter of what it should be.
DA
DAS Founding member
sjdavis posted:
I don't know if anyone has noticed, but every time Motson says: "Well I don't want to tempt fate by saying this"... we **** up.


Well at least he acknowledges it instead of giving it the Clive Tyldesley treatment of "WE'RE GONNA WIN!" two minutes into the game.
PC
p_c_u_k
Uncle Bruce, I thought you were having a go at my spelling with 'conceed', and ripping the johnny wizz with the "Eeeeeeeeurosport" reference. If you've made a typo somewhere, then I didn't mean to pick you up on it, and I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way.

I'm not going to get into a footballing argument with you regarding the 'cheating Portugese' (it is a TV presentation forum after all), but I can see who the BBC were aiming at. I prefer some more reasoned, impartial analysis. If BBC Scotland's coverage of Scotland's games was that pathetic, I'd be embarassed, but at least those of you down south wouldn't have to suffer it.

The BBC's coverage simply infuriates a good fifth of the population of the UK - they're surely here to serve the whole of the UK.
FU
fusionlad Founding member
English fans want to hear English opinions. I don't give a flying **** what Eurosport did, they would have got very very few viewers in homes that can receive BBC One.

The pub crowd at half time were surprisingly interested in the BBC analysis. Normally everyone is fighting for a place at the bar or queing up at the urinals at this point. Well I guessed this still happened, but a lot of people were still reacting to the big screen.

I'm wondering of topic now so I better go to bed. Night night xx
DA
DAS Founding member
p_c_u_k posted:
...but I can see who the BBC were aiming at. I prefer some more reasoned, impartial analysis.


Well if that's the case, stop moaning about the BBC coverage, stick to Eurosport, be quiet about it and everyone's happy.

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The BBC's coverage simply infuriates a good fifth of the population of the UK - they're surely here to serve the whole of the UK.


Gimme a break you fool. Have you conducted the survey that comes out with that figure? No, so stop spouting that rubbish and be quiet.
UB
Uncle Bruce
p_c_u_k posted:
Uncle Bruce, I thought you were having a go at my spelling with 'conceed', and ripping the johnny wizz with the "Eeeeeeeeurosport" reference. If you've made a typo somewhere, then I didn't mean to pick you up on it, and I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way.

I'm not going to get into a footballing argument with you regarding the 'cheating Portugese' (it is a TV presentation forum after all), but I can see who the BBC were aiming at. I prefer some more reasoned, impartial analysis. If BBC Scotland's coverage of Scotland's games was that pathetic, I'd be embarassed, but at least those of you down south wouldn't have to suffer it.

The BBC's coverage simply infuriates a good fifth of the population of the UK - they're surely here to serve the whole of the UK.


Not at all, PCUK. My extra 'e's should have been said in a Homor Simpsons voice for full effect. Let's let that one lie, eh?

As DAS has very rightfully pointed out, just because they are covering an English games doesn't mean they should tone down the passion.

I would argue with the Scottish side, the BBC up north has good reason to be scathing!

Tonight I don't think they did.

Both Reid and Wright pointed out why we were getting possesion in midfield at great length at halftime.
FU
fusionlad Founding member
Oh before I go to bed... sorry... I've just come across the 'highlights' on ITV1. I notice Bobby Robson wasn't commentating with Mr Cliche tonight. Have they finally let the old bugger have a lie down?
UB
Uncle Bruce
DAS posted:
p_c_u_k posted:


The BBC's coverage simply infuriates a good fifth of the population of the UK - they're surely here to serve the whole of the UK.


Gimme a break you fool. Have you conducted the survey that comes out with that figure? No, so stop spouting that rubbish and be quiet.


I would also argue there are plenty that don't bother watching it in the first place anyway ... so how that "fifth" came to be infuriated with the coverage is beyond me ...
PC
p_c_u_k
That's a good point DAS, and I admit the BBC's coverage does have to be more entertainment based.

However, there's a line to be drawn before you go down the road of tedious jingoism. I also fail to see how Motson's obscure story about a Danish player would interest the average viewer, who may not have an interest in sport.

You can analyse a game and make it interesting to the general public without harking back to wins of 40 years ago within a minute, or any of the nonsense that they were going through all night.
UB
Uncle Bruce
p_c_u_k posted:
That's a good point DAS, and I admit the BBC's coverage does have to be more entertainment based.

However, there's a line to be drawn before you go down the road of tedious jingoism. I also fail to see how Motson's obscure story about a Danish player would interest the average viewer, who may not have an interest in sport.

You can analyse a game and make it interesting to the general public without harking back to wins of 40 years ago within a minute, or any of the nonsense that they were going through all night.


But as you freely admit, you only watched the FIRST TEN MINUTES!

How can you have a balanced view when you were only flicking back?

I thought Motty was excellent tonight, Danish story aside.
DA
DAS Founding member
Jingoism now? For goodness sake. I'm off to have a debate with someone who knows what they're talking about.
PC
p_c_u_k
I've heard enough from John Motson, in this tournaments and in tournaments past, to know exactly what his style is like. Every time I flicked back, it was exactly the same. The studio pundits, who I did see, were a nightmare.

I think we'll need to agree to disagree. I suspect it's been bad enough for you tonight without arguing with some irritating get from up north, so it may be best to leave it at that.

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