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james-20015,184 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
Talking about strikes, here's a BBC News Summary on BBC2 from Thursday 5th April 1984, known for the fact a strike forced BBC1 off the air outright. Worth nothing that the BBC2 schedule was also affected...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3A_625JHwo


Interesting that BBC Four's as the very point in their repeats of Top Of The Pops where this strike took place (the last episode they showed mentioned David Jensen and John Peel would be presenting the next episode- the episode that never happened because of this strike).

Also interesting to see the miners coming out of the "Nottingham Area NUM" building, that's something very close to where I live, and I drive past it regularly... until they knocked it down a couple of years ago anyway. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.1311986,-1.1760845,3a,15y,194.37h,93.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sW4jLSvV8Ly4VmNadM_F5kQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en-GB

Story on the launch of Virgin Atlantic too, I've flown with them a few times recently, I wish it was still £99 each way though!
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Si-Co2,181 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Aha and searching for Ronald Allison gives me the clip I was talking about with the strike news bulletin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTwPbPOF3jg


Interestingly, Sons and Daughters may have been part networked to Anglia and Tyne Tees during the dispute. I remember it re-appeared on Tyne Tees screens midway through the Thames dispute, but don't have the Thames strike listings to see if this coincided with their emergency schedule. Perhaps Anglia or Tyne Tees were able to source the tapes themselves to stay on schedule with the series, as I don't recall any extra episodes scheduled later to catch up with Thames.
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62305823,554 posts since 19 Aug 2005
Aha and searching for Ronald Allison gives me the clip I was talking about with the strike news bulletin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTwPbPOF3jg


Interestingly, Sons and Daughters may have been part networked to Anglia and Tyne Tees during the dispute. I remember it re-appeared on Tyne Tees screens midway through the Thames dispute, but don't have the Thames strike listings to see if this coincided with their emergency schedule. Perhaps Anglia or Tyne Tees were able to source the tapes themselves to stay on schedule with the series, as I don't recall any extra episodes scheduled later to catch up with Thames.


Aha and searching for Ronald Allison gives me the clip I was talking about with the strike news bulletin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTwPbPOF3jg


Interestingly, Sons and Daughters may have been part networked to Anglia and Tyne Tees during the dispute. I remember it re-appeared on Tyne Tees screens midway through the Thames dispute, but don't have the Thames strike listings to see if this coincided with their emergency schedule. Perhaps Anglia or Tyne Tees were able to source the tapes themselves to stay on schedule with the series, as I don't recall any extra episodes scheduled later to catch up with Thames.


It wouldn't be hard to get copies would it? I believe there were 10 different transmittion rates within ITV, What if there asked central to send copies down the line?
Si-Co2,181 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Central transmitted it first, and other stations used their edits. So quite possibly they sourced tapes from Central as the dispute progressed. They would have been behind Thames but may have scheduled a few extra episodes to catch up.

A few Thames programmes were shown in London only, such as Up the Elephant and The Bill. Other regions saw these episodes later - I remember a viewer querying continuity in the Bill when a character was seen driving a car they had sold months earlier. The response from ITV was that three episodes were shown in London only, and were tacked onto the end of the series in other regions.

Thames scheduled Coronation Street four times a week for a while after the strike to catch up - I remember their subtitles appearing on Oracle P399 (the local pages) as subtitles for the wrong episode were going out on P199. This was the year before P888 became the standard subtitles page across all channels.

I notice commercials went out in London - a special arrangement must have been in place to sell these as the advertisers would have paid for slots in advance around the usual schedule that obviously didn't appear.

I'm not sure if Thames were able to insert adverts onto Channel Four. There is certainly footage from this era showing break filler captions going out on Four - this may or not have been for the entirety of the Thames dispute.
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62305823,554 posts since 19 Aug 2005
Two issues.

Thames never had extra corrie the week Very Happy after the strike ended. Or was the paper slow to react.

How did it deal with emmerdale farm since I'm sure there play about the feed to tsw, stv, grampian and Anglia at 17.15. While blockbusters would have been 4 epsoides behide.
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Si-Co2,181 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
By mid 1985 (only a matter of months after the strike) only Thames and Anglia were behind with Emmerdale Farm. Do we know for sure Thames played it out to those other regions?

The schedule in the press and what was actually shown on air is likely to have anomalies, especially just after the strike ended. Thames began playing catch up with Corrie pretty much straightaway.
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62305823,554 posts since 19 Aug 2005
Then stv and grampian had to behide with emmerdale farm. Since along Anglia all had the same feed for farm and blockbusters. Even in 1987 there had the same feed when emmerdale was dumped on Sunday afternoon.

Thames switched to have farm at 7pm and blockbusters on a different feed in September 85. Thames sport had the Thursday 17.15.
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Steve Williams2,807 posts since 1 Aug 2008
A few Thames programmes were shown in London only, such as Up the Elephant and The Bill. Other regions saw these episodes later - I remember a viewer querying continuity in the Bill when a character was seen driving a car they had sold months earlier. The response from ITV was that three episodes were shown in London only, and were tacked onto the end of the series in other regions.


Yes, and they also showed Minder as well, when that was a bloody huge programme. The rest of the UK got it at Christmas. As has been mentioned elsewhere, the first night of the strike must have been a particular pain for the other regions because aside from Corrie and the news, every other programme was made by Thames, including highlights of an England match. According to the brilliant ITV regional highlights website, they ended up showing the highlights on On The Ball on the Saturday, so it was at least filmed.
Si-Co2,181 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
While Thames were striking did ATV take over as Nominated Contractor or would the unions have taken a dim view of that and everyone was left to their own devices?


I assume the IBA would have allocated a nominated contractor while Thames were on strike. I've always assumed it was Central (keep up, Steve - this was 1984!), as they played a lot of stuff out to network (schools, CITV, etc). The ITN News would have had to be routed via one of the ITV companies too - that's how they normally got on air.

If Central (or another company) did take over, I assume this was only during weekdays, and LWT resumed as NC at 5.15pm on Fridays.
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Si-Co2,181 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
By the way, I've found out the answer to the Sons and Daughters question. Anglia and Tyne Tees were out of sync with Thames until December 1984, so they obviously sourced the tapes from elsewhere to stop themselves falling too far behind. They continued to run the programme about three episodes behind Thames, and showed extra episodes in December in order to be back on the Thames feed in January 1985.
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62305823,554 posts since 19 Aug 2005
I have got back into the house and it seems Thames/LWT were behind with Blockbusters by umpteem episodes. STV, Anglia and Grampian finished it on the 12th April while London area finished off the last 4 episodes behind and finished on Friday, 19 April 1985. Don't worry Connection was still a month away, and filler programme appeared at 17.15 It got more complicated since there was ice skating in early march 85. The last week in march 1985 Emmerdale Farm was moved back to a network slot and extra blockbusters were added in on tuesdays with Filler on Monday.

Where did the extra four episodes of Emmerdale farm go? Here something maybe there went out at 7pm and by pure chance there rating better in that slot than 17.15 and that's why Thames moved to back?

What helped Anglia and TT get back on track with S&D was the during the week of Wed 19/ Thurs 20 and Fri 21 december 1984 thames never had any episodes.


I'm thinking of starting a thread on the main part of the forum regarding strikes/disputes and their effect on the region and other regions. There's a few questions to be raised that those "in the know" may be able to answer.


What are those questions? Very Happy
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