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Wow so he was just simply running backwards. Makes it even more impressive, that's quite some speed and there are a few fairly narrow doorways along the way!
I knew a Stedicam rig is usually pointing forwards, I just wondered if there was an alternative way of doing it for special requirements.
I was wrong - he WAS running forwards!
That Eurovision shot is pretty awesome. What's the guy following him around doing?
Focus pulling. Some pullers run with the operator - others pull from a distance and judge the distance by eye (and in some cases the operator will do it themselves - or run with a fixed focus and distance)
noggin
Founding member
Running backwards quickly and confidently. The Steadicam brace puts the camera in front of you, pointing forwards. There may well be someone with you backwatching.
Wow so he was just simply running backwards. Makes it even more impressive, that's quite some speed and there are a few fairly narrow doorways along the way!
I knew a Stedicam rig is usually pointing forwards, I just wondered if there was an alternative way of doing it for special requirements.
I was wrong - he WAS running forwards!
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That Eurovision shot is pretty awesome. What's the guy following him around doing?
Focus pulling. Some pullers run with the operator - others pull from a distance and judge the distance by eye (and in some cases the operator will do it themselves - or run with a fixed focus and distance)
TR
Is it just me or is this whole thing a bit weird and maudlin.
Imaging if you take the most conservative budget of £1.2 Bn BBC North Budget. Then to be fair to the accountants deduct the £200m they got for TVC. That leaves £900 million
To revamp TVC & renovate Oxford road would have cost a few hundred million to get a bl00dy good top notch set up. It would have left easily £ 500 million for programming. BBC World could still move into the 'amorphous space' that was the news centre - allow a few hundred thousand for a refit and decor. You would then have 8 studio revenues plus rent from office space in a world class television production centre.
Instead you have BBC departments fragmented, squatting In rented expensive accommodation and having to sell a perfectly good Television Centre to build Boutique ruddy hotels.
Non of it makes any sence whatsoever and the money wasted has been immense.
Imaging if you take the most conservative budget of £1.2 Bn BBC North Budget. Then to be fair to the accountants deduct the £200m they got for TVC. That leaves £900 million
To revamp TVC & renovate Oxford road would have cost a few hundred million to get a bl00dy good top notch set up. It would have left easily £ 500 million for programming. BBC World could still move into the 'amorphous space' that was the news centre - allow a few hundred thousand for a refit and decor. You would then have 8 studio revenues plus rent from office space in a world class television production centre.
Instead you have BBC departments fragmented, squatting In rented expensive accommodation and having to sell a perfectly good Television Centre to build Boutique ruddy hotels.
Non of it makes any sence whatsoever and the money wasted has been immense.
BA
Great minds, I posted the same video in the Media Tech sub forum.
Oh and for whoever asked what the chap running being the Steadicam op was doing, he'll be the focus puller with a remote follow focus unit.
Bail
Moderator
And just because we're talking about Steadicam - here's a particularly good example of Steadicam - and how they did it. (Which also shows how the harness and mounting work)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3TBvJUtuHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3TBvJUtuHs
Great minds, I posted the same video in the Media Tech sub forum.
Oh and for whoever asked what the chap running being the Steadicam op was doing, he'll be the focus puller with a remote follow focus unit.
GE
Quite an impressive run from Stage Door to TC1 on Let's Dance last night...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01r1zbt/Lets_Dance_for_Comic_Relief_2013_Episode_2/?t=15m46s
Forget the steadicam, full marks to the LD who had that spot on throughout the run.
C
Quite an impressive run from Stage Door to TC1 on Let's Dance last night...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01r1zbt/Lets_Dance_for_Comic_Relief_2013_Episode_2/?t=15m46s
Forget the steadicam, full marks to the LD who had that spot on throughout the run.
C
IS
What is that £1.2 billion figure? The move or the move and x number of years of running?
Your figures seem a bit iffy and simplistic.
The issue with TV Centre is that it is too big and too inflexible for what they need. Most of the office space there hasn't been suitable for years, hence why they moved everyone down the road to the big open plan spaces of White City over the last 25 years. Having 8 studios in full use hasn't happened for decades, if they could get rent continuously for them all they would be retaining them.
You're missing the bigger picture too. The original plan was to put news and the World Service under one roof (which had to be done as the WS were due to be homeless)... and that wasn't going to be anywhere other than Broadcasting House. Integrating all of the World Service with TV and radio news in TV Centre as it is now wouldn't have worked, not without tucking different departments and services in odd parts of the building. Large flexible floor space is what's needed these days.
Moving stuff out of London - although I don't think it's been done in the best way - was in my opinion necessary and Oxford Road wouldn't have been big or flexible enough for what they needed. Again it was built for a different age.
Not really, if anything they're less fragmented just because of the reduction in properties. Just look at how the situation in London has changed - a few years ago there was TV News coming from TV centre, some from Marylebone High Street and some internet video services from Bush House. Then there was World Service TV from one building and radio from another - that's all together now. Radio 4 used to come from two buildings in London too, now it's all from BH.
The BBC has always rented accommodation, I suspect it's actually less now they've given up the leases on lots of London buildings and moved them into BH.
It isn't 'perfectly good', whatever happened it would have needed a lot of the site sold off and other bits rebuilt. The fact that the new owners want to include a hotel is irrelevant.
Is it just me or is this whole thing a bit weird and maudlin.
Imaging if you take the most conservative budget of £1.2 Bn BBC North Budget. Then to be fair to the accountants deduct the £200m they got for TVC. That leaves £900 million
Imaging if you take the most conservative budget of £1.2 Bn BBC North Budget. Then to be fair to the accountants deduct the £200m they got for TVC. That leaves £900 million
What is that £1.2 billion figure? The move or the move and x number of years of running?
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To revamp TVC & renovate Oxford road would have cost a few hundred million to get a bl00dy good top notch set up. It would have left easily £ 500 million for programming. BBC World could still move into the 'amorphous space' that was the news centre - allow a few hundred thousand for a refit and decor. You would then have 8 studio revenues plus rent from office space in a world class television production centre.
Your figures seem a bit iffy and simplistic.
The issue with TV Centre is that it is too big and too inflexible for what they need. Most of the office space there hasn't been suitable for years, hence why they moved everyone down the road to the big open plan spaces of White City over the last 25 years. Having 8 studios in full use hasn't happened for decades, if they could get rent continuously for them all they would be retaining them.
You're missing the bigger picture too. The original plan was to put news and the World Service under one roof (which had to be done as the WS were due to be homeless)... and that wasn't going to be anywhere other than Broadcasting House. Integrating all of the World Service with TV and radio news in TV Centre as it is now wouldn't have worked, not without tucking different departments and services in odd parts of the building. Large flexible floor space is what's needed these days.
Moving stuff out of London - although I don't think it's been done in the best way - was in my opinion necessary and Oxford Road wouldn't have been big or flexible enough for what they needed. Again it was built for a different age.
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Instead you have BBC departments fragmented
Not really, if anything they're less fragmented just because of the reduction in properties. Just look at how the situation in London has changed - a few years ago there was TV News coming from TV centre, some from Marylebone High Street and some internet video services from Bush House. Then there was World Service TV from one building and radio from another - that's all together now. Radio 4 used to come from two buildings in London too, now it's all from BH.
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In rented expensive accommodation
The BBC has always rented accommodation, I suspect it's actually less now they've given up the leases on lots of London buildings and moved them into BH.
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and having to sell a perfectly good Television Centre to build Boutique ruddy hotels.
It isn't 'perfectly good', whatever happened it would have needed a lot of the site sold off and other bits rebuilt. The fact that the new owners want to include a hotel is irrelevant.
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WH
Completely agree, and as someone (I think Jeremy Paxman) recently pointed out, it's totally baffling how during a recession, a government funded corporation is moving out of a large complex on cheap land in West London to relocate to a very expensive building in central London.
Having different departments in different cities does nothing for regionality either. Under the new system we are less likely to get a big Northern drama on the Beeb or a Cardiff based kids show. It seems to be a badly planned strategy as a result of a huge panic over its funding future, and we are yet to find out who it's meant to benefit.
Whataday
Founding member
Is it just me or is this whole thing a bit weird and maudlin.
Imaging if you take the most conservative budget of £1.2 Bn BBC North Budget. Then to be fair to the accountants deduct the £200m they got for TVC. That leaves £900 million
To revamp TVC & renovate Oxford road would have cost a few hundred million to get a bl00dy good top notch set up. It would have left easily £ 500 million for programming. BBC World could still move into the 'amorphous space' that was the news centre - allow a few hundred thousand for a refit and decor. You would then have 8 studio revenues plus rent from office space in a world class television production centre.
Instead you have BBC departments fragmented, squatting In rented expensive accommodation and having to sell a perfectly good Television Centre to build Boutique ruddy hotels.
Non of it makes any sence whatsoever and the money wasted has been immense.
Imaging if you take the most conservative budget of £1.2 Bn BBC North Budget. Then to be fair to the accountants deduct the £200m they got for TVC. That leaves £900 million
To revamp TVC & renovate Oxford road would have cost a few hundred million to get a bl00dy good top notch set up. It would have left easily £ 500 million for programming. BBC World could still move into the 'amorphous space' that was the news centre - allow a few hundred thousand for a refit and decor. You would then have 8 studio revenues plus rent from office space in a world class television production centre.
Instead you have BBC departments fragmented, squatting In rented expensive accommodation and having to sell a perfectly good Television Centre to build Boutique ruddy hotels.
Non of it makes any sence whatsoever and the money wasted has been immense.
Completely agree, and as someone (I think Jeremy Paxman) recently pointed out, it's totally baffling how during a recession, a government funded corporation is moving out of a large complex on cheap land in West London to relocate to a very expensive building in central London.
Having different departments in different cities does nothing for regionality either. Under the new system we are less likely to get a big Northern drama on the Beeb or a Cardiff based kids show. It seems to be a badly planned strategy as a result of a huge panic over its funding future, and we are yet to find out who it's meant to benefit.
SW
*cough* Sarah Jane Adventues *cough* Last Tango In Halifax *cough*
Having different departments in different cities does nothing for regionality either. Under the new system we are less likely to get a big Northern drama on the Beeb or a Cardiff based kids show. It seems to be a badly planned strategy as a result of a huge panic over its funding future, and we are yet to find out who it's meant to benefit.
*cough* Sarah Jane Adventues *cough* Last Tango In Halifax *cough*
LW
Speaking of TC10, what Stage in TVC is that located?
Spur - aka Stage IV. (Built for News in the late 60s - and also houses TC8)
Thanks! And TC10 used to be N1 which was BBC World's home back then!
I popped into TC10 (or N1 as it was!) while I was at TVC the other week and I can confirm that it was rather empty but had a wooden desk like the one in the link above, complete with a manky cup of tea/coffee sat on top!
Speaking of TC10, what Stage in TVC is that located?
Spur - aka Stage IV. (Built for News in the late 60s - and also houses TC8)
Thanks! And TC10 used to be N1 which was BBC World's home back then!
IS
15 years ago journalists were complaining about moving from Central London to West London, they can't win!
The cost of the land is irrelevant, (even though it was proposed in the 1980's) they'll never sell their HQ - that would probably be a more controversial sell off than TV Centre. They'd also still need an expensive new building somewhere.
Please explain why not.
Also remember that the BBC has long had different programme departments in various cities - youth and religion in Manchester, natural history in Bristol, rural affairs in Birmingham being 3 examples. You never got a nature programme from Manchester or a programme on farming from Bristol
Completely agree, and as someone (I think Jeremy Paxman) recently pointed out, it's totally baffling how during a recession, a government funded corporation is moving out of a large complex on cheap land in West London to relocate to a very expensive building in central London.
15 years ago journalists were complaining about moving from Central London to West London, they can't win!
The cost of the land is irrelevant, (even though it was proposed in the 1980's) they'll never sell their HQ - that would probably be a more controversial sell off than TV Centre. They'd also still need an expensive new building somewhere.
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Having different departments in different cities does nothing for regionality either. Under the new system we are less likely to get a big Northern drama on the Beeb or a Cardiff based kids show.
Please explain why not.
Also remember that the BBC has long had different programme departments in various cities - youth and religion in Manchester, natural history in Bristol, rural affairs in Birmingham being 3 examples. You never got a nature programme from Manchester or a programme on farming from Bristol
JO
*cough* Sarah Jane Adventues *cough* Last Tango In Halifax *cough*
Why don't you think about what you've read, and then think about what has actually happened in recent times?
He's not saying it's impossible, just it's less likely.
The fact is, the North West has lost Waterloo Road to Scotland, and the West has lost Casualty and Being Human to Cardiff. It seems it is very unlikely future major drama commissions such as these are going to represent areas other than Scotland and Wales, or be very generic in their location.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the BBC is representing certain areas more now with one hand, but have taken a hell of a lot away from the likes of the Midlands and the South West in terms of representation with the other hand.
If you live in Plymouth, you're no more represented by a 5 Live in Manchester than one in London, in fact you'll probably be even less represented. As you'll probably get a presenter who's spent a lot of time in London, so references to areas around London would be greater, and you'd get more references to the North West. Leaving even less for the rest of the country.
Having different departments in different cities does nothing for regionality either. Under the new system we are less likely to get a big Northern drama on the Beeb or a Cardiff based kids show. It seems to be a badly planned strategy as a result of a huge panic over its funding future, and we are yet to find out who it's meant to benefit.
*cough* Sarah Jane Adventues *cough* Last Tango In Halifax *cough*
Why don't you think about what you've read, and then think about what has actually happened in recent times?
He's not saying it's impossible, just it's less likely.
The fact is, the North West has lost Waterloo Road to Scotland, and the West has lost Casualty and Being Human to Cardiff. It seems it is very unlikely future major drama commissions such as these are going to represent areas other than Scotland and Wales, or be very generic in their location.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the BBC is representing certain areas more now with one hand, but have taken a hell of a lot away from the likes of the Midlands and the South West in terms of representation with the other hand.
If you live in Plymouth, you're no more represented by a 5 Live in Manchester than one in London, in fact you'll probably be even less represented. As you'll probably get a presenter who's spent a lot of time in London, so references to areas around London would be greater, and you'd get more references to the North West. Leaving even less for the rest of the country.