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KE
kez19 North Reporting Scotland
Why have they opted out of a relatively popular programme and not played the documentary in the slot that Scotland tonight is usually in. This is just my opinion but I think people would rather watch a programme about dogs since we’re a nation of dog lovers than a documentary about a show many of the younger generation won’t have even heard of Including myself and then a repeat of Sean’s Scotland.


quote] Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.[


Not sure what you mean here are stv not carrying the new series of Heathrow: Britain’s busiest AirPort?

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It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf
BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


Wow that’s crazy how many local programs have stv had in the last year?



Regarding Heathrow, the last time STV aired it they basically mucked around with it in the schedule, I believe at one point they even aired 3 episodes over 2 nights as a "catch up" (at a guess viewers contacted them to air and possibly said no but gave in?).

Whilst I get the point STV has to meet quotas but maybe one of them would be cutting back on Nightscreen it was bad enough running Nightshift! Surely STV can air some programming after midnight or why not just advertise these shows on ... oh I don't know the STV Player? STV is missing a trick there as it seems like BBC/Channel 4 are airing shows old/new so I don't see why if they are not planning to air the show why it can't be stuck on STV Player as a viable option?

I see you mentioned STV and local programming, local to me is somewhere like Dundee, STV doesn't air "local" programming as such, its probably better to class it as more of a regional programme since most of the time its coming from Glasgow as well as their own home grown programming par STV Appeal and the news....
Last edited by kez19 on 10 August 2020 1:07am
KE
kez19 North Reporting Scotland

Animal Orphans is a repeat whereas Love of Dogs wasn't so that could be a reason.

The High Road tribute is getting a pasting elsewhere - comments about it scraping the barrel and STV being out of touch with their audience.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. Its no different to the old episodes of EastEnders, Corrie, River City etc that have been aired recently and it looks like location filming has been done for it (photo of Emma Cameron in Luss on the digiguide page) so it's not all just old footage.

Why have they opted out of a relatively popular programme and not played the documentary in the slot that Scotland tonight is usually in. This is just my opinion but I think people would rather watch a programme about dogs since we’re a nation of dog lovers than a documentary about a show many of the younger generation won’t have even heard of Including myself and then a repeat of Sean’s Scotland.


GMc's post above possibly alludes to why. As does the fact that Animal Orphans is a repeat (first shown in 2014).

Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.

With limited opt-out opportunities and STV needing to minimise the amount of backlash from viewers (because there ALWAYS will be some), what is to happen is perhaps the best solution.

Regarding the opt-out window on Thursdays where Scotland Tonight and Tonight usually go head-to-head, you raise a good point about the timing of opt-outs. Currently, ITV are showing Eat Shop Save here. STV haven't aired the first two eps of this because Tonight took its summer break a fortnight earlier. In an ideal world - and irrespective of which day they showed the High Road tribute - STV would be skipping Eat Shop Save entirely to avoid confusion for viewers but, hey-ho, they aren't and are dipping in halfway through the series.

High Road and Sean's Scotland aren't exactly earth-shattering I agree but what is the alternative?

It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf

BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


But whats the point in dipping in shows? So if someone was wanting to see lets say episodes 1 and 2 of 4 of a series as they have aired it but its OK to do it?, for me it renders it pointless in even airing them in the first place, STV already has a history of doing this over the years start a show off then forget about it (again why start a show let alone why not put the rest of the series available on the STV Player if they have no plans to air further episodes be further back or forward)?, you may as well just use ITV Hub in general if thats the way its going (I currently do this anyway) but this sort of thing with STV doesn't attract me to the channel let alone to their own player regardless of tv programming.
UN
Universal_r Central Reporting Scotland
kez19 posted:
Why have they opted out of a relatively popular programme and not played the documentary in the slot that Scotland tonight is usually in. This is just my opinion but I think people would rather watch a programme about dogs since we’re a nation of dog lovers than a documentary about a show many of the younger generation won’t have even heard of Including myself and then a repeat of Sean’s Scotland.


GMc's post above possibly alludes to why. As does the fact that Animal Orphans is a repeat (first shown in 2014).

Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.

With limited opt-out opportunities and STV needing to minimise the amount of backlash from viewers (because there ALWAYS will be some), what is to happen is perhaps the best solution.

Regarding the opt-out window on Thursdays where Scotland Tonight and Tonight usually go head-to-head, you raise a good point about the timing of opt-outs. Currently, ITV are showing Eat Shop Save here. STV haven't aired the first two eps of this because Tonight took its summer break a fortnight earlier. In an ideal world - and irrespective of which day they showed the High Road tribute - STV would be skipping Eat Shop Save entirely to avoid confusion for viewers but, hey-ho, they aren't and are dipping in halfway through the series.

High Road and Sean's Scotland aren't exactly earth-shattering I agree but what is the alternative?

It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf

BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


But whats the point in dipping in shows? So if someone was wanting to see lets say episodes 1 and 2 of 4 of a series as they have aired it but its OK to do it?, for me it renders it pointless in even airing them in the first place, STV already has a history of doing this over the years start a show off then forget about it (again why start a show let alone why not put the rest of the series available on the STV Player if they have no plans to air further episodes be further back or forward)?, you may as well just use ITV Hub in general if thats the way its going (I currently do this anyway) but this sort of thing with STV doesn't attract me to the channel let alone to their own player regardless of tv programming.

I’ve not used the stv player in a while it’s such a bad app not that the itv hub is amazing it’s still got a lot of improvements but it’s better than the stv player.
UN
Universal_r Central Reporting Scotland
kez19 posted:

quote] Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.[


Not sure what you mean here are stv not carrying the new series of Heathrow: Britain’s busiest AirPort?

Quote:
It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf
BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


Wow that’s crazy how many local programs have stv had in the last year?



Regarding Heathrow, the last time STV aired it they basically mucked around with it in the schedule, I believe at one point they even aired 3 episodes over 2 nights as a "catch up" (at a guess viewers contacted them to air and possibly said no but gave in?).

Whilst I get the point STV has to meet quotas but maybe one of them would be cutting back on Nightscreen it was bad enough running Nightshift! Surely STV can air some programming after midnight or why not just advertise these shows on ... oh I don't know the STV Player? STV is missing a trick there as it seems like BBC/Channel 4 are airing shows old/new so I don't see why if they are not planning to air the show why it can't be stuck on STV Player as a viable option?

I see you mentioned STV and local programming, local to me is somewhere like Dundee, STV doesn't air "local" programming as such, its probably better to class it as more of a regional programme since most of the time its coming from Glasgow as well as their own home grown programming par STV Appeal and the news....


I don’t get why stv plays nightscreen from 12-5am some days surely they have plenty of programmes to play they could even play the pet collective or fail army that they have on the player which are actually quite good.

Sorry I couldn’t think of the right word the only word that came to mind was local I did mean regional.

And I think I know the answer to this question already but are the CA’s not allowed to call programmes like itv news at 10 and itv nightscreen by there names it’s always time for the evening news or time for a round up of the National and international news.
TE
tellyblues North Reporting Scotland
Why have they opted out of a relatively popular programme and not played the documentary in the slot that Scotland tonight is usually in. This is just my opinion but I think people would rather watch a programme about dogs since we’re a nation of dog lovers than a documentary about a show many of the younger generation won’t have even heard of Including myself and then a repeat of Sean’s Scotland.


quote] Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.[


Not sure what you mean here are stv not carrying the new series of Heathrow: Britain’s busiest AirPort?


No, they are showing it. The "no point in STV tagging along" is in reference to Animal Orphans. ITV are airing just one episode then dropping it for Heathrow the following week. If STV have to opt-out of a programme(s) then this is an ideal opportunity to do so as it is no big deal not taking a one-off repeat.

It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf
BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


Wow that’s crazy how many local programs have stv had in the last year?


The People's History Show, What's On Scotland, STV Appeal, the numerous shows with Sean Batty... they all add up.

For 2020 alone, I think I'm right in saying that the High Road tribute will be STV's first non-news/current affairs output since the turn of the year. No prizes for guessing why.

Personally, I hope when things get back to relative normality that new content doesn't consist of travel docs. These have been done to death. But... replace them with what?

kez19 posted:
Why have they opted out of a relatively popular programme and not played the documentary in the slot that Scotland tonight is usually in. This is just my opinion but I think people would rather watch a programme about dogs since we’re a nation of dog lovers than a documentary about a show many of the younger generation won’t have even heard of Including myself and then a repeat of Sean’s Scotland.


GMc's post above possibly alludes to why. As does the fact that Animal Orphans is a repeat (first shown in 2014).

Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.

With limited opt-out opportunities and STV needing to minimise the amount of backlash from viewers (because there ALWAYS will be some), what is to happen is perhaps the best solution.

Regarding the opt-out window on Thursdays where Scotland Tonight and Tonight usually go head-to-head, you raise a good point about the timing of opt-outs. Currently, ITV are showing Eat Shop Save here. STV haven't aired the first two eps of this because Tonight took its summer break a fortnight earlier. In an ideal world - and irrespective of which day they showed the High Road tribute - STV would be skipping Eat Shop Save entirely to avoid confusion for viewers but, hey-ho, they aren't and are dipping in halfway through the series.

High Road and Sean's Scotland aren't exactly earth-shattering I agree but what is the alternative?

It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf

BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


But whats the point in dipping in shows? So if someone was wanting to see lets say episodes 1 and 2 of 4 of a series as they have aired it but its OK to do it?, for me it renders it pointless in even airing them in the first place, STV already has a history of doing this over the years start a show off then forget about it (again why start a show let alone why not put the rest of the series available on the STV Player if they have no plans to air further episodes be further back or forward)?, you may as well just use ITV Hub in general if thats the way its going (I currently do this anyway) but this sort of thing with STV doesn't attract me to the channel let alone to their own player regardless of tv programming.


I agree that dipping into shows is needless and unhelpful to viewers. Not sure why you think that I think it's OK ?
KE
kez19 North Reporting Scotland

quote] Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.[


Not sure what you mean here are stv not carrying the new series of Heathrow: Britain’s busiest AirPort?


No, they are showing it. The "no point in STV tagging along" is in reference to Animal Orphans. ITV are airing just one episode then dropping it for Heathrow the following week. If STV have to opt-out of a programme(s) then this is an ideal opportunity to do so as it is no big deal not taking a one-off repeat.

It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf
BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


Wow that’s crazy how many local programs have stv had in the last year?


The People's History Show, What's On Scotland, STV Appeal, the numerous shows with Sean Batty... they all add up.

For 2020 alone, I think I'm right in saying that the High Road tribute will be STV's first non-news/current affairs output since the turn of the year. No prizes for guessing why.

Personally, I hope when things get back to relative normality that new content doesn't consist of travel docs. These have been done to death. But... replace them with what?

kez19 posted:

GMc's post above possibly alludes to why. As does the fact that Animal Orphans is a repeat (first shown in 2014).

Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.

With limited opt-out opportunities and STV needing to minimise the amount of backlash from viewers (because there ALWAYS will be some), what is to happen is perhaps the best solution.

Regarding the opt-out window on Thursdays where Scotland Tonight and Tonight usually go head-to-head, you raise a good point about the timing of opt-outs. Currently, ITV are showing Eat Shop Save here. STV haven't aired the first two eps of this because Tonight took its summer break a fortnight earlier. In an ideal world - and irrespective of which day they showed the High Road tribute - STV would be skipping Eat Shop Save entirely to avoid confusion for viewers but, hey-ho, they aren't and are dipping in halfway through the series.

High Road and Sean's Scotland aren't exactly earth-shattering I agree but what is the alternative?

It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf

BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


But whats the point in dipping in shows? So if someone was wanting to see lets say episodes 1 and 2 of 4 of a series as they have aired it but its OK to do it?, for me it renders it pointless in even airing them in the first place, STV already has a history of doing this over the years start a show off then forget about it (again why start a show let alone why not put the rest of the series available on the STV Player if they have no plans to air further episodes be further back or forward)?, you may as well just use ITV Hub in general if thats the way its going (I currently do this anyway) but this sort of thing with STV doesn't attract me to the channel let alone to their own player regardless of tv programming.


I agree that dipping into shows is needless and unhelpful to viewers. Not sure why you think that I think it's OK ?



The dipping part the way I meant it (apologies if it came across at you) is STV do this every year it’s like certain shows it’s a bad habit and wish they stop doing it
KE
kez19 North Reporting Scotland
kez19 posted:

GMc's post above possibly alludes to why. As does the fact that Animal Orphans is a repeat (first shown in 2014).

Also, looking ahead to Wed 19th, it appears the programme is as dispensable to ITV as it is STV, being dropped for the new series of Heathrow: Britain's Busiest Airport, so there was no point in STV tagging along when the schedule could be better used.

With limited opt-out opportunities and STV needing to minimise the amount of backlash from viewers (because there ALWAYS will be some), what is to happen is perhaps the best solution.

Regarding the opt-out window on Thursdays where Scotland Tonight and Tonight usually go head-to-head, you raise a good point about the timing of opt-outs. Currently, ITV are showing Eat Shop Save here. STV haven't aired the first two eps of this because Tonight took its summer break a fortnight earlier. In an ideal world - and irrespective of which day they showed the High Road tribute - STV would be skipping Eat Shop Save entirely to avoid confusion for viewers but, hey-ho, they aren't and are dipping in halfway through the series.

High Road and Sean's Scotland aren't exactly earth-shattering I agree but what is the alternative?

It was announced this week that STV's output for non-current affairs programming in 2019 decreased by 90% (!) to 40 hours compared to 403 hours in 2018. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/200502/media-nations-2020-scotland-report.pdf

BBC Scotland has swallowed up the market.


But whats the point in dipping in shows? So if someone was wanting to see lets say episodes 1 and 2 of 4 of a series as they have aired it but its OK to do it?, for me it renders it pointless in even airing them in the first place, STV already has a history of doing this over the years start a show off then forget about it (again why start a show let alone why not put the rest of the series available on the STV Player if they have no plans to air further episodes be further back or forward)?, you may as well just use ITV Hub in general if thats the way its going (I currently do this anyway) but this sort of thing with STV doesn't attract me to the channel let alone to their own player regardless of tv programming.

I’ve not used the stv player in a while it’s such a bad app not that the itv hub is amazing it’s still got a lot of improvements but it’s better than the stv player.



I prefer the ITV Hub in general as at least anything STV doesn’t air appears even the motorsport
KE
kez19 North Reporting Scotland
kez19 posted:

Not sure what you mean here are stv not carrying the new series of Heathrow: Britain’s busiest AirPort?


Wow that’s crazy how many local programs have stv had in the last year?



Regarding Heathrow, the last time STV aired it they basically mucked around with it in the schedule, I believe at one point they even aired 3 episodes over 2 nights as a "catch up" (at a guess viewers contacted them to air and possibly said no but gave in?).

Whilst I get the point STV has to meet quotas but maybe one of them would be cutting back on Nightscreen it was bad enough running Nightshift! Surely STV can air some programming after midnight or why not just advertise these shows on ... oh I don't know the STV Player? STV is missing a trick there as it seems like BBC/Channel 4 are airing shows old/new so I don't see why if they are not planning to air the show why it can't be stuck on STV Player as a viable option?

I see you mentioned STV and local programming, local to me is somewhere like Dundee, STV doesn't air "local" programming as such, its probably better to class it as more of a regional programme since most of the time its coming from Glasgow as well as their own home grown programming par STV Appeal and the news....


I don’t get why stv plays nightscreen from 12-5am some days surely they have plenty of programmes to play they could even play the pet collective or fail army that they have on the player which are actually quite good.

Sorry I couldn’t think of the right word the only word that came to mind was local I did mean regional.

And I think I know the answer to this question already but are the CA’s not allowed to call programmes like itv news at 10 and itv nightscreen by there names it’s always time for the evening news or time for a round up of the National and international news.


The whole Nightscreen for 5 hours is part of a quota whilst I understand that ITV have Ideal World on but STV at that time of night has to be one of the biggest jokes as previous it was Nightshift but they did run Teleshopping for a while (guess made nothing from it... I wonder why?)

For all the programmes missed or incomplete during the years they could at least air them or as mentioned stick them on their player but none of that will ever happen
UN
Universal_r Central Reporting Scotland
I noticed the sponsor of Scotland loves the high road says “Scotland loves the high road supported by tunnocks”
Is their a difference between sponsored by and supported by?

9 days later

TE
tellyblues North Reporting Scotland
Thought it was worth putting this here instead of starting a new thread.

STV Productions rebrands to STV Studios: https://markets.ft.com/data/announce/detail?dockey=1323-14660603-3UCFD256HT6G1E0JKIQSTURAO9

It begs the question, what can STV produce for themselves that could be deemed "successful"?

They could make drama but they'd have to show it when ITV are repeating Doc Martin, Vera etc to sort of justify its place otherwise there would be complaints from people that they were missing out on essential programmes, and even if these were shown at a later time/date, the schedules for several days would be mucked up, resulting in more complaints. Probably not worth the hassle.

I keep reading that STV do things on the cheap but all that can work in a 7.30pm slot is cheap (in relative terms), but the programmes are probably no less expensive than the ITV programmes being opted out of.

Maybe because Eat Shop Save isn't about Scottish people it seems less cringey than it is and nobody questions the cost. Also, because it's seen as more beneficial than, say, Sean Batty showing us around an empty field, STV possibly, unfairly, get a reputation for being cheap when they are just as economical as any other channel.

Of course, the cheap tag stems from deciding not to show Downton Abbey and others all those years ago but stuck with a slot where drama is more or less out, cheap now seems harsh. Out of touch perhaps.
JO
Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
What makes you think they are particularly bothered about producing content just for Scotland?

It’s clear the STV Studios business is about producing content for a UK wide audience.
TE
tellyblues North Reporting Scotland
Jon posted:
What makes you think they are particularly bothered about producing content just for Scotland?

It’s clear the STV Studios business is about producing content for a UK wide audience.


It may be the primary focus but it's not the only one, otherwise why bother with opt-outs that will only, realistically, be shown in Scotland?

STV have to meet certain broadcasting quotas and it is expected by viewers in Scotland that STV will produce content for them and them only so it stands to reason to suggest that STV are bothered.

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