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Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
I don’t think the Steph or even the format is particularly to blame. I just don’t think there is a gap in the market for Channel 4 to do a show magazine show or a gameshow in daytime that isn’t Countdown.

On a related note I’m surprised 4 hasn’t made efforts to pick up the Tour De France in recent years. It’s more popular now than when they used to show it and would surely deliver decent ratings for a few weeks.
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Soupnzi London London
I could see this going the way of Davina McCall's ill fated talk show. Big push before it started, no-one watched and it quickly went away and died in a corner, never to be spoken of again.

That was a more high profile commission i guess. A big show on the main channel with a massive star. I agree this will die in a corner, but it will barely have been watched by anyone...and won’t even get the negative press Davina (and before her, Gaby Roslin) got
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Steve Williams
Jon posted:
I don’t think the Steph or even the format is particularly to blame. I just don’t think there is a gap in the market for Channel 4 to do a show magazine show or a gameshow in daytime that isn’t Countdown.


It's perhaps worth pointing out that Richard and Judy, while it became a success in the end, also got off to an incredibly shaky start, the ratings weren't very good, the editor left very abruptly and I remember them taking it off for three weeks to show Celebrity Big Brother's Little Brother and everyone saying that was the end of it. It took a good year for it to really find its feet, it was always referred to as "the troubled show" for a long time.

It's remarkable how quickly C4 lost the initiative in daytime, though, because circa 2006 they were miles ahead of everyone and there was that Radio Times cover with Richard and Judy, Paul O'Grady, Noel, Des Lynam and Carol Vorderman, and that was a massively successful line-up. You can say that they started to struggle when BBC1 and ITV stopped doing kids shows, but ITV had already pretty much given up kids shows by then, and C4 were still thrashing them for a good few years after that, and there was no reason why C4 couldn't keep the initiative. I think the decline had already started long before BBC1 stopped showing kids' shows.

It's interesting how 5pm used to be the big battleground with Paul O'Grady and Richard and Judy, and now the two quizzes are the big shows there and all the topical and live stuff is now earlier in the day. Maybe it would be a better idea to try 5pm again as an alternative for those who don't want quizzes. I know they pull in big audiences, but so do Bargain Hunt, the One O'Clock News and Doctors (in terms of share, probably bigger) which is what they're up against now, and it would at least be long enough away from This Morning to not look like you're just doing what they've just done.

And all paper reviews are a waste of time, but doing one well into the afternoon is even more pointless.
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Soupnzi London London
It truly is a “what’s the point?” commission, fuelled by vanity and self-serving politics rather than any attempt to serve the audience.

I can’t recall anything with the odds so stacked against itself since the London Live launch.
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Aaron_2015 Recently warned West Country (West) Spotlight
Good grief the ratings for this are dire - if it drops under 50k I believe it technically gets rounded to zero viewers by BARB.

As I said a little while ago, ITV Daytime have this share of the market sewn up. The features on the show for the last two days don’t differ at all from ITV’s offerings.

I genuinely don’t think a business based current affairs format would do worse than how the show is currently performing. Maybe something like a business orientated version of Morning Joe? The studio itself almost looks like a conference room, and would actually lend itself to this kind of format.
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bluecortina
I am reminded of the film "They shoot horses don't they?".
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TheSebastian
It truly is a “what’s the point?” commission, fuelled by vanity and self-serving politics rather than any attempt to serve the audience.

I can’t recall anything with the odds so stacked against itself since the London Live launch.


The problem with the content is it feels very generic: could be made anywhere, anytime in last 15 years, hosted by anyone. It's such a pastiche.

The producers need to work out both why people like Steph and who's available to watch it. They also desperately need a series producer who's fixed formats like this before.

Watching today's show it even clearer that it needs a cohost, it's just never going to work without one - getting from interview end to next item or tease and the gear changes required are hard. The producers chucking different items in a running order - with every 'ad lib' scripted to death like its a news rundown is unworkable in entertainment formats
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Johnr
Some of the content is also certainly far from 'hot off the press' such as the boy phoning 112 to save his mum, which was all over social media and the news...in August!

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/2020/08/26/hero-josh-saves-his-mum-by-calling-number-on-the-side-of-his-toy-ambulance/

...They even copied his 'surprise' of meeting the police!
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Stuart West Country (West) Spotlight
This is the problem of TV companies employing talent and then trying to create a format for them. It should be the other way round.

There are already sufficient examples of where this strategy has failed in the past for both parties.
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Juicy Joe Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Turned it on and there was some dreadful 'world record setting' attempt at changing a nappy on a doll. Flicked back to the start, found it was all a bit shouty and echo-y. I just can't work out who would want to watch this - this has been dumbed down as far as TV can go, what a waste of the talent and Channel 4's remit.


It certainly doesn't sound as compelling as what used to be on in that slot

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It was schools programmes and Sesame Street when I was a boy. Good times Very Happy


Bring back 'Stop, Look, Listen'. And 'How We Used To Live' - guaranteed ratings winners from ITV Schools on Channel 4.

It is a shame viewers have dropped dramatically since the show began. Have not seen it yet so can't comment on the content.
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Brekkie Recently warned Wales Wales Today
Watching today's show it even clearer that it needs a cohost, it's just never going to work without one - getting from interview end to next item or tease and the gear changes required are hard.

Were they not originally going to have a guest co-host each week?
Turns out nobody had 2020 vision.
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Markymark Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today
Watching today's show it even clearer that it needs a cohost, it's just never going to work without one - getting from interview end to next item or tease and the gear changes required are hard.

Were they not originally going to have a guest co-host each week?


Sidekick Simon ?

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