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Soham Verdict - how the Networks have reacted

(December 2003)

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IN
intheknow
Andrew posted:
intheknow posted:
BBC One were in a normal summary and had some problems going to their correspondent, but the schedules after that were VERY QUICKLY altered to switch to a News 24 simulcast, to the extent that only a few seconds before the switch, some Next captions still had the original programme listed. The One O Clock News was also extended, so that 1 hour 45 minutes compared to sparse 40 minutes on ITV.


11.55-12.15 and 12.30-13.30 is 1 hour 20 mins to me, not 40 mins!


Sorry, that was because I wasn't sure how long the initial report was on for. And it was taking into account 1320-1330 was regional news.

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Also I don't see why you are calling a previous poster a troll for just having an opinion that is different from yours


Because of the manner in which he expressed it. 'Clap clap for ITV' or whatever it was, unneeded in my view, and their purely to try and show off and be childish.
DE
deejay
In their lunchtime opt out at 1345, BBC East announced that they will be opting out for Network for one hour tonight at 6.30pm for a special programme on the subject. Whether this affects both East sub-regions, I'm not sure.

Their lunchtime bulletin was extremely good with an analysis bya Psychologist from the OU of BBC East's interviews with Maxine Carr and Ian Huntley. There were no other stories dealt with in the programme, only a weather forecast. It was a sensitive and interesting programme, so I'm looking forward to their special this evening.

Incidentally, it's the first time I've watched Look East from their new home "The Forum". It's a terrific set and wonderful to see a regional programme entirely in full 16:9.
DE
deejay
Actually - looking at DigiGuide, the Network programme at 7pm is one hour long "Diet Trials" - not sure then what the East region will do about opting back at 7.30pm ... !
DV
dvboy
noggin posted:
Lee Stanley posted:
Sky are showing the bit of police video with the BBC News thing over it... but done a strange crop

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/r.hardy63/lee/stuff/soham7.jpg


I think that is because the BBC showed the original material in an incorrect aspect ratio - but with the DOG burned in. If the material is converted back to the correct aspect ratio the DOG will be cropped.


They've blurred it out now.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/r.hardy63/lee/stuff/soham8.jpg
IN
intheknow
Lee Stanley posted:
noggin posted:
Lee Stanley posted:
Sky are showing the bit of police video with the BBC News thing over it... but done a strange crop

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/r.hardy63/lee/stuff/soham7.jpg


I think that is because the BBC showed the original material in an incorrect aspect ratio - but with the DOG burned in. If the material is converted back to the correct aspect ratio the DOG will be cropped.


They've blurred it out now.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/r.hardy63/lee/stuff/soham8.jpg


That DOG is their for a reason, as it is owned or licenced by the BBC, you don't see the BBC blurring out the Sky News bug when a report contains an interview from say Sunday with Adam Boluton (although it does get cropped due to 4:3 to 14:9 cropping). Presumbely the reason Sky are using that footage in their reports is because they don't have access to it themselves. In that case they should not edit or tamper with the footage in any way.

I'd imagine the BBC would be within rights to demand that footage be withdrawn, and possibly in the realms of legal action, even though that certainly won't happen.
DV
dvboy
Sky could probably argue fair dealing but have probably ruined their chances by blurring out the DOG.

How long has ITV News Channel been on ITV1? I just flicked...
CA
cat
I did not say they were second class citizens, noggin, it is just common sense.

If we are going down the line of discrimination, why not have an Arabic translation? There are more Arabic-speakers in the UK than there are those able to understand BSL. Is that discrimination?

Why not fill the screen with people doing sign language in every language? Where are the Welsh subtitles?

No other news channel in its right mind - this obviously excludes the ITV News Channel - would have 1/3 of the screen covered in a combination of black emptyness and a sign language lady during its coverage of the most anticipated court case verdict there's been all year.

I don't give a sh-t what liberal, public-service claptrap you or the rest of the Beeb want to throw, noggin, it's common sense just to get rid of it, upset all 4 viewers who probably found it useful and delight a few hundred thousand who found it irritating and distracting.

Very silly of Sky to go and blur out the DOG on that footage, unless they had permission from the Beeb.
AN
Andrew Founding member
Lee Stanley posted:
Sky could probably argue fair dealing but have probably ruined their chances by blurring out the DOG.

How long has ITV News Channel been on ITV1? I just flicked...


From 2.30-3.15pm replacing regional programming and news.

It was fronted by Nicholas Owen who's obviously had his shift extended today and has been on air practically constantly since 11.55am. Although it was a simulcast and had the ITV NC Clock it wasn't advertised as such
FO
Foxpresident
I can't belive they've taken Crimewatch off, I hope it's on tomorow, at 8, and instead take of that dredid Judge.. program..

If not tomorow, I wonder when they are going to do....


KA
Katherine Founding member
c@t posted:
I did not say they were second class citizens, noggin, it is just common sense.

Why not fill the screen with people doing sign language in every language? Where are the Welsh subtitles?

I don't give a sh-t what liberal, public-service claptrap you or the rest of the Beeb want to throw, noggin, it's common sense just to get rid of it, upset all 4 viewers who probably found it useful and delight a few hundred thousand who found it irritating and distracting.

You might find the following interesting. A quote relating to this;

The UK Disability Discrimination Act states that The DDA states that it is unlawful for service providers to treat disabled people less favourably, unjustifiably. Service providers must make reasonable adjustments to practices, policies and procedures which make it impossible or unreasonably difficult for disabled people to use.

The service must provide aids such as a textphone or information in alternative formats (eg disc, tape or Braille) where this would help a disabled person use a service that would otherwise be inaccessible. In broadcasting, 'services' include programmes (subtitling, audio description, and signing) and programme support services (helplines, booklets, fact sheets and websites.


Your suggestion to "get rid of it, upset all 4 viewers who probably found it useful and delight a few hundred thousand who found it irritating and distracting." would be in direct and unlawful breach of that.
NE
Neil__
c@t posted:
I did not say they were second class citizens, noggin, it is just common sense.

No, not common sense, Tom, just your opinion.

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I don't give a sh-t what liberal, public-service claptrap you or the rest of the Beeb want to throw, noggin, it's common sense just to get rid of it, upset all 4 viewers who probably found it useful and delight a few hundred thousand who found it irritating and distracting.

What a shame, in that case, that the BBC is a public service broadcaster .

You don't like it. Fine. You are more than welcome to your opinion. Just bear in mind that others may well disagree with you.
CA
cat
So, on those grounds, Kat, it should be there constantly.

Don't be ridiculous, please.

It's no wonder you're after a career at the Beeb.

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