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TV Geek534 posts since 6 Aug 2009
Granada North West Today
In all fairness there could move it earlier into GMTV time?

9am: kids show
11am CD: UK
...

Surely that's what CITV is for, if they did decide to make such programmes again.

If there was a decent sized auduence (and therefore advertising revenue) from such programmes then they would already be on ITV1.


ITV sabotaged it to make it look like it wasn't viable though. Ministry of Mayhem was getting close to 1m viewers and then ratings fell to about 200,000 when it changed to Saturday Showdown. Presumably the viewers who never transferred across were the older viewers using it as hangover TV. And then Saturday Cooks got 4-600,000 viewers so it looked as though they had benefited by axing CITV, when in reality it was about the same, if not less than what they were getting when effort was put in.
62305823,456 posts since 19 Aug 2005
Saturday Showdown was utter DIRE when that started, but after tones of complaints there got back Ram ray,
it was actully pretty good by june before it was axed. MOM was actually decent, Doc, Mr lee...... Embarassed Laughing
Inspector Sands13,762 posts since 25 Aug 2004

If there was a decent sized auduence (and therefore advertising revenue) from such programmes then they would already be on ITV1.


ITV sabotaged it to make it look like it wasn't viable though. Ministry of Mayhem was getting close to 1m viewers and then ratings fell to about 200,000 when it changed to Saturday Showdown. Presumably the viewers who never transferred across were the older viewers using it as hangover TV. And then Saturday Cooks got 4-600,000 viewers so it looked as though they had benefited by axing CITV, when in reality it was about the same, if not less than what they were getting when effort was put in.

It's more than just audience numbers though, the problem is the advertising.

ITV can sell more advertising to 500,000 adults than they can 500,000 children, since the days of SMTV and Ministry of Mayhem (which was and still is a terrible name for a kids show) the ban on advertising certain foods to children has come in which took away a large chunk of ITV's children-targeting advertisers. Also even in the last 10 years the available audience to them has got smaller, the kids have lots of other things to do rather than watch TV
TV Geek534 posts since 6 Aug 2009
Granada North West Today
But whilst SMTV and MOM were primarily CITV shows, they did have a lot of teenage viewers and they are worth far more than C2DE viewers especially in the run up to Christmas.

MOM was a success at the time ITV wanted to drop CITV, so obviously it was sacrificed in order for them to remove CITV from ITV1. The fact that Saturday Cooks was moved to weekdays very quickly and CITV was reinstated speaks for itself imo.
Coolcat42 posts since 14 Aug 2007
I have a feeling someone at NotW has put two and two together and made six here. Can't believe SM:TV would be brought back for all the reasons people have previously mentioned - no desire to invest in kids tv, Ant and Dec own the rights, etc etc.
However it's not beyond the realms of possiblity that they're contemplating a new music show for one of ITV's channels with, let's say George Lamb and Abbey Clancey among those in the frame to host. It may also be that one of the possible names/formats for this could be CD:UK, which will bring a level of recognition among the audience which new names won't. And/or it may be that Saturday lunchtime is under consideration as a time-slot.
Suppose a fraction of this speculation is leaked to NotW - suddenly they've got a story.
Plus, bear in mind the quote, which is quite telling, along the lines of 'we always intended to bring CD:UK back in some form'. Not SM:TV, mind.
littlesmegger1,168 posts since 11 Dec 2004
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
ITV want to invest in in-house children's programming?! I'll believe that when I see it! I would take this very much with a pinch of salt!


SMTV & CDUK were a 'Blaze' production, iirc they sold the format to Five but they ended up shelving it.



The rights to SMTV were sold in 2006 to some pair called Ant & Dec.


Yup, which would explain why their site is full of footage from the series.
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mediaman2007461 posts since 22 Sep 2007
ITV want to invest in in-house children's programming?! I'll believe that when I see it! I would take this very much with a pinch of salt!


SMTV & CDUK were a 'Blaze' production, iirc they sold the format to Five but they ended up shelving it.



The rights to SMTV were sold in 2006 to some pair called Ant & Dec.


Yup, which would explain why their site is full of footage from the series.


Yeh, someone mentioned they had Wonkey Donkey on their push the button show last night too. Did anyone here see it? Where was he?
VMPhil9,775 posts since 31 Mar 2005
Granada North West Today
I disagree that Ministry of Mayhem/Holly & Stephen's Saturday Showdown was as good as SMTV; I shed a tear or two at the end of the last SMTV (which can be seen on YouTube) and turned MoM off halfway through the first show. Watched the last episode and still didn't think it was funny. SMTV was not as funny when Ant and Dec left; they seemed to bring something to the show that others couldn't, but I kept watching because the new team of Brian and Tess as well as others who joined them over 2002/2003 were still funny with sketches like Eminemmerdale and Casually. I even still have the SMTV/CDUK book "It's Wicked".

John and Edward wouldn't be funny, good or even tolerable in my opinion as presenters on a Saturday morning show. I'll have to see it to give my final opinion on it if it really does go out on air, but I hope they rethink the presenters or the name of the show before they start.
DJ Dave1,874 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today
mon was not funny to start off with, but then it it funny with Mr Lee, The Doc, Ray etc nad then ITV dropped all that to make it like Dick and Dom and it lost the best bit's about the show, the live audience and the crew always laughing and taking the mick too.

Name that Tone, Cakey Sk8, The Lab and Ram Ray were all good and I even found Scratch and Sniff funny too, but the Show down just got a bit stale for me to quick.
TV Geek534 posts since 6 Aug 2009
Granada North West Today
I disagree that Ministry of Mayhem/Holly & Stephen's Saturday Showdown was as good as SMTV; I shed a tear or two at the end of the last SMTV (which can be seen on YouTube) and turned MoM off halfway through the first show. Watched the last episode and still didn't think it was funny. SMTV was not as funny when Ant and Dec left; they seemed to bring something to the show that others couldn't, but I kept watching because the new team of Brian and Tess as well as others who joined them over 2002/2003 were still funny with sketches like Eminemmerdale and Casually. I even still have the SMTV/CDUK book "It's Wicked".

John and Edward wouldn't be funny, good or even tolerable in my opinion as presenters on a Saturday morning show. I'll have to see it to give my final opinion on it if it really does go out on air, but I hope they rethink the presenters or the name of the show before they start.


MOM was terrible to begin with but so was SMTV. Halfway through its first year and its first relaunch MOM tried to clone SMTV, and that didn't work either and the show was still dire. Come January 2005, they'd revamped the show and thats when it really started to come into its own. I don't think it was ever as good as SMTV in its heyday but there was a certain magic with MOM during 2005. Mr Lee, Ray, The Doc, Snowy, Scratch & Sniff etc all gave the show a good identity and Stephen & Holly worked very well together. There were funny games too like Supermarket Sneak. But then it was relaunched (again) at the start of 2006 and it was back to being boring and tedious, until it slowly morphed into a Tesco value version of MOM.

Whilst I did really like SMTV, I think its rose tinted glasses as far as many are concerned. The first year or so was awful and even Ant, Dec & Cat have admitted that. It was only 'good' for about 2 of its 5 years on air- with Tess & Brian aside, all of the presenter combination after Ant, Dec & Cat were appalling especially when it became SMTV Gold and they had guest hosts every week.