PE
Pete
Founding member
I must agree with the complaints re: seeking on TiVo iPlayer, it really is shockingly bad. Why the BBC have to be so arsey about implementing things their way is beyond me. The fact they refused to let the shows be listed in the backwards EPG at first was preposterous and came over as completely petty on their part.
I appreciate the iPlayer streams are now coming over HTTP rather than via the legacy vod system but surely there is a better way to implement seeking? Virgin have a nice little 5min jump, why can't iPlayer?
I appreciate the iPlayer streams are now coming over HTTP rather than via the legacy vod system but surely there is a better way to implement seeking? Virgin have a nice little 5min jump, why can't iPlayer?
DA
A series of controlled real world tests carried out at various times of the day with each test designed to compare a different aspect of each system?
A series of controlled real world tests carried out at various times of the day with each test designed to compare a different aspect of each system?
NG
iPlayer does have 576i streams as my Sony connected TV uses them, but that is the only place I've seen them used, and the quality isn't brilliant.
Hmm - my Sony Blu-ray player didn't but I haven't checked recently. Are you getting 50Hz rather than 25Hz motion on native interlaced content?
noggin
Founding member
In contrast the PC/Connected TV iPlayer is permanently 25p (Strictly 3D was 50p and an exception) and maxes out at 720p - and although watchable, it isn't a patch on the broadcast stuff.
iPlayer does have 576i streams as my Sony connected TV uses them, but that is the only place I've seen them used, and the quality isn't brilliant.
Hmm - my Sony Blu-ray player didn't but I haven't checked recently. Are you getting 50Hz rather than 25Hz motion on native interlaced content?
LL
Sky is easier to control because Virgin has a delay of a few seconds when you pause or rewind etc, but the content on Anytime+ is rubbish compared to Virgin. It's proven to be a godsend since we got it.
NA
Do you not think it's much slower and far more difficult to find an exact time in a programme compared to the other sections of on demand? It irritates me so much I record the majority of BBC programmes I want to watch.
Yes, but that's the BBC iplayer for you, on any platform. I don't watch a great deal on it, as if I want to watch something I will usually just record it anyway, but I really don't find it that bad. You do have the bonus though that if you wanted to record 3 separate channels on TiVo, didn't want to watch one of them & didn't want to watch something you have previously recorded, then you can watch the iplayer as it streams over the internet, rather than using one of the tuners which the other on demand content uses.
I have never had a problem with BBC iplayer on TiVo either
Do you not think it's much slower and far more difficult to find an exact time in a programme compared to the other sections of on demand? It irritates me so much I record the majority of BBC programmes I want to watch.
Yes, but that's the BBC iplayer for you, on any platform. I don't watch a great deal on it, as if I want to watch something I will usually just record it anyway, but I really don't find it that bad. You do have the bonus though that if you wanted to record 3 separate channels on TiVo, didn't want to watch one of them & didn't want to watch something you have previously recorded, then you can watch the iplayer as it streams over the internet, rather than using one of the tuners which the other on demand content uses.
OV
Yes I am, but interestingly it is only 50Hz on my Sony TV, my Sony Blu-Ray is picking up the normal 25Hz streams. The 50Hz stream also places the BBC DOG 4:3 safe, which would imply to me it is also used elsewhere (perhaps on Freesat boxes?).
I'm guessing its been done that way for technical reasons, as the TV doesn't have the HTML based app that the Blu-Ray does, it uses what appears to be an MHEG application loaded over IP, so I'm guessing the streams must have to conform to DVB standards. It also doesn't have HD content like the Blu-Ray does.
Hmm - my Sony Blu-ray player didn't but I haven't checked recently. Are you getting 50Hz rather than 25Hz motion on native interlaced content?
Yes I am, but interestingly it is only 50Hz on my Sony TV, my Sony Blu-Ray is picking up the normal 25Hz streams. The 50Hz stream also places the BBC DOG 4:3 safe, which would imply to me it is also used elsewhere (perhaps on Freesat boxes?).
I'm guessing its been done that way for technical reasons, as the TV doesn't have the HTML based app that the Blu-Ray does, it uses what appears to be an MHEG application loaded over IP, so I'm guessing the streams must have to conform to DVB standards. It also doesn't have HD content like the Blu-Ray does.
NG
Yes I am, but interestingly it is only 50Hz on my Sony TV, my Sony Blu-Ray is picking up the normal 25Hz streams. The 50Hz stream also places the BBC DOG 4:3 safe, which would imply to me it is also used elsewhere (perhaps on Freesat boxes?).
I'm guessing its been done that way for technical reasons, as the TV doesn't have the HTML based app that the Blu-Ray does, it uses what appears to be an MHEG application loaded over IP, so I'm guessing the streams must have to conform to DVB standards. It also doesn't have HD content like the Blu-Ray does.
Ah - it's not a Connected TV iPlayer app but the Freesat MHEG5 one accessed by Press Red?
noggin
Founding member
Hmm - my Sony Blu-ray player didn't but I haven't checked recently. Are you getting 50Hz rather than 25Hz motion on native interlaced content?
Yes I am, but interestingly it is only 50Hz on my Sony TV, my Sony Blu-Ray is picking up the normal 25Hz streams. The 50Hz stream also places the BBC DOG 4:3 safe, which would imply to me it is also used elsewhere (perhaps on Freesat boxes?).
I'm guessing its been done that way for technical reasons, as the TV doesn't have the HTML based app that the Blu-Ray does, it uses what appears to be an MHEG application loaded over IP, so I'm guessing the streams must have to conform to DVB standards. It also doesn't have HD content like the Blu-Ray does.
Ah - it's not a Connected TV iPlayer app but the Freesat MHEG5 one accessed by Press Red?
MW
Yes I am, but interestingly it is only 50Hz on my Sony TV, my Sony Blu-Ray is picking up the normal 25Hz streams. The 50Hz stream also places the BBC DOG 4:3 safe, which would imply to me it is also used elsewhere (perhaps on Freesat boxes?).
I'm guessing its been done that way for technical reasons, as the TV doesn't have the HTML based app that the Blu-Ray does, it uses what appears to be an MHEG application loaded over IP, so I'm guessing the streams must have to conform to DVB standards. It also doesn't have HD content like the Blu-Ray does.
Ah - it's not a Connected TV iPlayer app but the Freesat MHEG5 one accessed by Press Red?
Isn't the Virgin Media one MHEG5 or is it an MPEG2 Stream.
Hmm - my Sony Blu-ray player didn't but I haven't checked recently. Are you getting 50Hz rather than 25Hz motion on native interlaced content?
Yes I am, but interestingly it is only 50Hz on my Sony TV, my Sony Blu-Ray is picking up the normal 25Hz streams. The 50Hz stream also places the BBC DOG 4:3 safe, which would imply to me it is also used elsewhere (perhaps on Freesat boxes?).
I'm guessing its been done that way for technical reasons, as the TV doesn't have the HTML based app that the Blu-Ray does, it uses what appears to be an MHEG application loaded over IP, so I'm guessing the streams must have to conform to DVB standards. It also doesn't have HD content like the Blu-Ray does.
Ah - it's not a Connected TV iPlayer app but the Freesat MHEG5 one accessed by Press Red?
Isn't the Virgin Media one MHEG5 or is it an MPEG2 Stream.
PE
There are two versions on VM, the one for legacy boxes is some sort of liberate based car crash using MPEG2 streams over DVB-C. The one on TiVo is, AIUI, either flash of MHEG5 based and uses MPEG4 streams delivered over IP.
Pete
Founding member
Isn't the Virgin Media one MHEG5 or is it an MPEG2 Stream.
There are two versions on VM, the one for legacy boxes is some sort of liberate based car crash using MPEG2 streams over DVB-C. The one on TiVo is, AIUI, either flash of MHEG5 based and uses MPEG4 streams delivered over IP.
MW
There are two versions on VM, the one for legacy boxes is some sort of liberate based car crash using MPEG2 streams over DVB-C. The one on TiVo is, AIUI, either flash of MHEG5 based and uses MPEG4 streams delivered over IP.
Yes, I have to say I prefer the legacy Liberate system
Isn't the Virgin Media one MHEG5 or is it an MPEG2 Stream.
There are two versions on VM, the one for legacy boxes is some sort of liberate based car crash using MPEG2 streams over DVB-C. The one on TiVo is, AIUI, either flash of MHEG5 based and uses MPEG4 streams delivered over IP.
Yes, I have to say I prefer the legacy Liberate system