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London Lite11,155 posts since 4 Jan 2003
London London
There is not really a need for Sky2 with the On Demand service.

As I said before the reason Sky2 and Living It exists is purely to make money out of archive.

There's also a number of customers (not sure how many, but could be quite a lot) who will still have older set top boxes which don't have broadband connections, and therefore don't have access to on demand.


Nor have fast enough broadband connections to stream on demand in the first place.

How slow would that have to be? My connection averages around 4Mbps and I never have to wait more than a few seconds for SD content to buffer.


Even with a sub-2Mbps connection the user would be able to download content to play later.


Going by the bitrates used by NOW TV. 2.5MB to 2.7MB for live SD, 3.1MB for catch-up and back catalogue, up to 720p HD.
Interceptor802 posts since 20 Oct 2014
There is not really a need for Sky2 with the On Demand service.

As I said before the reason Sky2 and Living It exists is purely to make money out of archive.

There's also a number of customers (not sure how many, but could be quite a lot) who will still have older set top boxes which don't have broadband connections, and therefore don't have access to on demand.


Nor have fast enough broadband connections to stream on demand in the first place.

How slow would that have to be? My connection averages around 4Mbps and I never have to wait more than a few seconds for SD content to buffer.


Even with a sub-2Mbps connection the user would be able to download content to play later.


Going by the bitrates used by NOW TV. 2.5MB to 2.7MB for live SD, 3.1MB for catch-up and back catalogue, up to 720p HD.
I think you're mixing MB and Mb up (Mb[ps] being 8x less than MB[ps]).

Sky don't use live broadband streams for any of their STB services, and as Neil says there is no real minimum speed; any broadband service will work, it'll just take much longer to become available to play.
London Lite11,155 posts since 4 Jan 2003
London London
There is not really a need for Sky2 with the On Demand service.

As I said before the reason Sky2 and Living It exists is purely to make money out of archive.

There's also a number of customers (not sure how many, but could be quite a lot) who will still have older set top boxes which don't have broadband connections, and therefore don't have access to on demand.


Nor have fast enough broadband connections to stream on demand in the first place.

How slow would that have to be? My connection averages around 4Mbps and I never have to wait more than a few seconds for SD content to buffer.


Even with a sub-2Mbps connection the user would be able to download content to play later.


Going by the bitrates used by NOW TV. 2.5MB to 2.7MB for live SD, 3.1MB for catch-up and back catalogue, up to 720p HD.
I think you're mixing MB and Mb up (Mb[ps] being 8x less than MB[ps]).

Sky don't use live broadband streams for any of their STB services, and as Neil says there is no real minimum speed; any broadband service will work, it'll just take much longer to become available to play.


Extremely longer if you have poor broadband in a rural area.
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Interceptor802 posts since 20 Oct 2014
Yeah, but that's the thing - even if it does take 2 hours to download, you would then have that content available to play without any breaks for 'buffering' or whatever that other services would.
noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Yep - it's surprising how many people don't realise that the Sky + HD Catch Up and On Demand stuff isn't streamed, but is downloaded. Now TV is streamed.

The quality difference is huge. Now TV is mushy progressive and nasty (with everything 25p but shown at 60Hz with judder). Some of the Sky + HD downloaded stuff is stunningly good quality (50i native with Dolby 5.1 sound). In fact some of the SD downloaded stuff is better than off-air SD quality.

However the bitrates are quite high. I believe the Sky+ HD iPlayer HD stuff is around 8Mbs (So if you have a 1Mbs connection a 30 minute show would take 4 hours to download, and wouldn't be playable until it had almost fully downloaded. If you have a 50Mbs connection then it would take around 5 minutes to download and would become available almost instantly).

I think the SD stuff is H264 and around 2Mbs - so with a >2Mbs connection it should become available quite quickly too. (Shows become available when there is enough downloaded that the rest will have downloaded before you get to the end of the programme at play speed)
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noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001


The quality difference is huge. Now TV is mushy progressive and nasty (with everything 25p but shown at 60Hz with judder).


LG's NOW TV app outputs at 50Hz, but I get you point as most of the external devices are cheap and nasty.


Including the Sky Now TV box - which is how a lot of people access Now TV I suspect. And it's still 25p converting 50i content - and low quality.
noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001

Isn't there already a catch-up section on On Demand with Sky 1, Atlantic and Living?


Yes - I suspect they will separate out Arts programming into its own section to make it more prominent. Sky are very keen for people to know that they do Arts and News - particularly MPs...
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