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Classic shows you remember, but the public might not (July 2017)

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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
The same happened when Tom and Jerry got chased by cannibals. So much panning and scanning in such a short amount of time, it's hardly worth syndicating. I stand by what Whoopi Goldberg says at the start of the DVD releases. As wrong as the depictions were, we can't pretend they never existed.


Tom & Jerry was also pulled up for depictions of smoking about 10 years or so ago now and Boomerang decided to edit them all out where appropriate. The amazing thing about Tom & Jerry is that it gets pulled up for every possible reason under the sun but in the best part of 75 odd years as far as I am aware it has never been officially pulled up for violence despite it being one of the most violent cartoons ever made. It was never ultimately aimed at children in the first place - it was made for viewing prior to the main film in cinemas, though that's long out of fashion and replaced by trailers and adverts.
BH
BillyH Founding member
Wasn't there a similar show of cartoons with Mark Speight? Seem to remember him sharing a few interesting facts about them that you wouldn't normally get in a kids show.
CN
CNash
Mammy's been redubbed several times over the years, as I recall. At one point they gave her a very stereotypical Irish accent, which was arguably as bad as her original voice. The current runs on Boomerang use a redub performed by a black actress, but more "natural" and considerably toned down from the original 1950s performance.
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JA
james-2001
Though it's not that the "entire soundtrack's been redone from scratch"- all the original non-Mammy voices are still there. You can quite easily hear the difference in audio fidelity between them and the redone Mammy.

I'm sure I've read there's DVD releases in some countries with the original Mammy sountrack though, so they haven't ever been "lost". The UK releases aren't brilliant anyway, and they only have the 4:3 pan/scan versions of the cinemascope shorts from the 50s. It's like they dug out the first copies they had to hand rather than tried to do it properly (which probably is the case).
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BH
BillyH Founding member
The 2002-03 VHS releases were similar, some cartoons being the standard redubbed Cartoon Network prints at the time and others scratchy, jittery old prints that were uncut but with faded colours and covered in film grain. Seemed completely random as to which version got picked.
JA
james-2001
The 2002-03 VHS releases were similar, some cartoons being the standard redubbed Cartoon Network prints at the time and others scratchy, jittery old prints that were uncut but with faded colours and covered in film grain. Seemed completely random as to which version got picked.


Wouldn't be suprised if the DVDs came from the same masters as the VHS.
MD
MrDexB
Fortunately, the Blu-ray (and Amazon Prime Laughing) versions are full CinemaScope and HD versions.
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A former member
Fortunately, the Blu-ray (and Amazon Prime Laughing) versions are full CinemaScope and HD versions.


Are there uncut?
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A former member
CNash posted:
Perhaps my memory is faulty. So few of those Stay Tooned episodes have made it out onto YouTube, and my own collection was lost or taped over years ago. I can only go by what I recall from having watched those recordings enough to drive my mother insane... Razz


Here is why I think what I think now: https://youtu.be/QIM6S7FIp0c?t=127
MD
MrDexB
Fortunately, the Blu-ray (and Amazon Prime Laughing) versions are full CinemaScope and HD versions.


Are there uncut?


Smoking might be, but Mammy Two Shoes has never appeared past academy ratio cartoons, so mostly uncut, if no blackface.
XI
Xilla
I had a copy of an old Tom and Jerry on tape once, which had a scene that originally had Mammy in it re-done to feature a young white woman instead. Strangely enough, they kept in the original Mammy voice for her brief speaking scene (where she takes a phone call at her Bridge Club and tells Jerry that's exactly where she is, despite the remake featuring the young lady dancing with friends)!

I've got a few Stay Tooned episodes on tape, only digitised one so far though, and it's not great quality. There's one where Tony takes a look at different animation types, dismissing CGI animated short films as being lifeless and dull to watch! Also got another one where he takes a look at non-PC cartoons.
SC
Si-Co
CNash posted:
Stay Tooned, with Tony Robinson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrH--TUR_Xc

Stay Tooned focused almost exclusively on Warner Bros., MGM and independent animation. In one episode, Tony responded to letters from viewers asking why he didn't cover any of the Disney shorts, saying (quite candidly, for a show aimed at children) that it was due to ITV having exclusive rights to Disney material, meaning that his BBC-produced show couldn't cover them.


I distinctly remember Tony saying that. It was during a "best of" or "requests" special around 1992 or 1993. The same episode went on to show The Butterfly Ball cartoon which was one of the most-requested films that viewers wanted to see again.

Tony's wording went something like: "ITV hold the rights to the entire Disney catalogue and we can't show anything, not even a still image, without Disney's expressed permission. So, for the time being at least, I'm afraid there'll be no Disney."

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