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Classic shows you remember, but the public might not (July 2017)

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Steve Williams
Anyway, I know we're going off topic slightly but talking of how bad BBC mornings were in the mid-nineties, this remains one of my favourite junctions just because of the sheer Partridge-isms and general cheesy music!


The music, of course, being Ross King's "ner-ner-Ross-King!" theme that was introduced when Anne and Nick arrived in 1992 and then continued to be used as the theme for BBC1 daytime for several years after. I remember the Radio Times explaining the concept of The Morning On BBC1, where "the programmes will be familiar, but linked as part of a tighter unit". Of course, one of the big changes in that revamp was Playdays being moved back to BBC2 - after a decade of the pre-school shows being a staple of BBC1.

The fact this is mid-October points out that one of the main reasons why daytime BBC1 used to do so badly is because it couldn't start properly until that time because BBC1 had the Party Conferences and they couldn't dump them on BBC2 because there were schools programmes on. So ITV started off in early September and got an enormous head start. In Will Wyatt's book he says that Jonathan Powell always used to threaten to not show the Party Conferences because they got in the way, to general consternation. Of course, within a few years they could dump them on BBC2 as there were fewer schools programmes.

It's amazing how long BBC1 persisted with some of this stuff, like Pebble Mill continually coming back year in year out regardless. And of course Kilroy lasted until 2004, only ending when he had to, er, go away, and when it ended ratings shot up, you can only imagine what might had happened if they'd axed it years earlier.

DE88 posted:
I'm guessing the demise of Going for Gold in July '96 was part of this radical revamp, too.

GFG is obviously *not* a show that has been forgotten. Don't think the same can be said for Pass the Buck, though:


Yes, Going For Gold was among the series that was sacrificed, although some other quizzes like Turnabout got a repreive. It did mean the end of the 1.50 quiz slot that had been a staple for a decade, the equivalent of the 9.25 quiz on ITV.

I remember, as an irritating student, being a bit obsessed with series one of Pass The Buck and talking about it on embryonic internet forms, thanks to Fred's rather brusque manner with the contestants.

Vaguely remember it on GMTV and Channel 4. Anyone remember Space Cadets? Probably.


The thing I most remember about Space Cadets, apart from it being a bit of a flop, is that it was announced very close to transmission to the extent the provisional schedule for that week on C4 was full of TBAs every night, and Media Guardian ran a story saying that the C4 provisional schedule had a gap at 9pm every night and pondering if there was going to be a series of Celebrity Big Brother there and they were keeping it a secret to keep the other channels on their toes.

Of course, that was in the days when Media Guardian actually did stuff and wasn't just full of Australian news.
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Whataday Founding member
Remember this Turtles rip off?

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Whataday Founding member
That reminds me of one thing, quiz shows where you'd get a game card to play along in The Sun or the TV Times, and they were hyped up as a massive deal. Raise the Roof I think had one.


Didn't Millionaire have one for its first series?
RO
robertclark125
Last month was the 30th anniversary of the very first rugby union world cup. New Zealand beat France 29-9 in the final at eden park, Auckland. Who can recall the fact that this is the one, and only, rugby union world cup the BBC has covered.

For those wondering, the theme tune they used was Harkattack. Enjoy!

NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
That reminds me of one thing, quiz shows where you'd get a game card to play along in The Sun or the TV Times, and they were hyped up as a massive deal. Raise the Roof I think had one.


Didn't Millionaire have one for its first series?


Millionaire was sponsored by The Sun initially and I believe it was one of those "match your card to the symbols on screen" type thing, if the sponsor bumpers were anything to go by (see 13:17 and 16:35)


The 1994 Play Your Cards Right series was also sponsored by The Sun but can't be sure if it had a similar tie-in game.
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DE88
Last month was the 30th anniversary of the very first rugby union world cup. New Zealand beat France 29-9 in the final at eden park, Auckland. Who can recall the fact that this is the one, and only, rugby union world cup the BBC has covered.

For those wondering, the theme tune they used was Harkattack. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehd7m-4BGT4


Ace tune. Cool Wink

Here's another daytime quiz that not many people remember these days - Number One from 2001.



The 13-year-old me quite liked this show - running the two miles from school in Hanwell to home in Ealing to catch Krish and his "very rare Number One questions that could change everything".

So, naturally, I was disappointed when it didn't get a second series. That said, comparisons with a certain Anne Robinson show were inevitable - and a rather lengthy interruption for Ashes coverage can't have helped either.

And it's possible that just too many people preferred Fifteen to One, whose slot it occupied... Embarassed Wink
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Xilla
Speaking of game shows: A Word In Your Ear with Gordon Burns. Quite a fun little show, the round where someone had to draw something their team mate was describing to them and then had to guess what it actually was - always amusing!

Got a repeat showing on Challenge a few years later. Nothing on YouTube though.
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robertclark125
Mid 1990s, a word in your ear. Only vaguely remember it.

Style Challenge was, originally, called Style Council.
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Riaz
The fact this is mid-October points out that one of the main reasons why daytime BBC1 used to do so badly is because it couldn't start properly until that time because BBC1 had the Party Conferences and they couldn't dump them on BBC2 because there were schools programmes on. So ITV started off in early September and got an enormous head start. In Will Wyatt's book he says that Jonathan Powell always used to threaten to not show the Party Conferences because they got in the way, to general consternation. Of course, within a few years they could dump them on BBC2 as there were fewer schools programmes.


Disrupting the BBC1 schedule with programmes of national importance rather than showing them on BBC2 was a legacy of the 405 line era because owners of 405 line TVs would be unable to watch them if they were on BBC2. After the 405 line switch off it became an anachronism but it continues right up to this very day.
SW
Steve Williams
The 1994 Play Your Cards Right series was also sponsored by The Sun but can't be sure if it had a similar tie-in game.


It did, in fact I'm pretty sure that was the first one to do it, because it was enough to convince us to buy The Sun so we could get the card to play along. I always assumed that Brucie said his "hope you're playing along at home, play your cards right!" bit at the start to point out It was time to start playing along - you just crossed off every card they drew, it was basically bingo.

Wheel of Fortune had a tie-in game with the Today newspaper which was running when it closed down, I think they carried it on in The Sun for the last few weeks. The Mirror sponsored Take Your Pick with a tie-in game, and I remember the jackpot prize was featured on the show as "in association with the Daily Mirror". They all had tie-in games for a few years, and I remember even Big Break had a tie-in with the Mirror for a bit. Obviously that one wasn't mentioned on air at all.

The Sun stopped sponsoring Millionaire after they printed ancient pictures of Tarrant on the piss with Sophie Rhys-Jones, including one of her flashing her nipples, around the time of her wedding, and Tarrant complained.

Xilla posted:
Speaking of game shows: A Word In Your Ear with Gordon Burns. Quite a fun little show, the round where someone had to draw something their team mate was describing to them and then had to guess what it actually was - always amusing!


This was a daytime show initially but in the summer of 1994 it got rather oddly promoted to primetime Saturday night...
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1994-07-23#at-17.45

This seemed bizarre at the time, although I think it happened because in the summer of 1993 there had been an accounting cock-up and BBC1 had a massive budget cut, and they'd showed virtually non-stop repeats all summer, to a barrage of complaints and bad publicity. So the following summer they desperately wanted to get more new programmes on, but there wasn't much more money, so some very modest series got primetime slots just because they weren't repeats.

Style Challenge was, originally, called Style Council.


Style Counsel, in fact, that was the pun. I think that was a short-run series which spun off Anne and Nick and then when it got recommissioned for a million episodes they changed the name and tweaked the format a bit.

Riaz posted:
Disrupting the BBC1 schedule with programmes of national importance rather than showing them on BBC2 was a legacy of the 405 line era because owners of 405 line TVs would be unable to watch them if they were on BBC2. After the 405 line switch off it became an anachronism but it continues right up to this very day.


As I mentioned, the reason they showed the party conferences on BBC1 in the eighties and nineties was because there were schools programmes on BBC2. Before they swapped them over in 1983, the party conferences were on BBC2.
JA
james-2001
Style Challenge was, originally, called Style Council.


Then Paul Weller sued? Razz
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robertclark125
What about Gower's Cricket Monthly, on BBC2?

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