JO
I think Channel 5 have always retained it despite the various changes in ownership.
Slightly off topic, but is the C5 licence ever put out to tender?
I think Channel 5 have always retained it despite the various changes in ownership.
NJ
Could be in theory but they applied for the extension in 2013:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/10718/channel_5_renewal.pdf
I suppose if they didn't want it, it would be advertised.
Neil Jones
Founding member
Slightly off topic, but is the C5 licence ever put out to tender?
Could be in theory but they applied for the extension in 2013:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/10718/channel_5_renewal.pdf
I suppose if they didn't want it, it would be advertised.
RC
Could be in theory but they applied for the extension in 2013:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/10718/channel_5_renewal.pdf
I suppose if they didn't want it, it would be advertised.
I think Ofcom have got the licences mixed up on their website, that's actually Border's notice of Channel 3 licence renewal.
Slightly off topic, but is the C5 licence ever put out to tender?
Could be in theory but they applied for the extension in 2013:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/10718/channel_5_renewal.pdf
I suppose if they didn't want it, it would be advertised.
I think Ofcom have got the licences mixed up on their website, that's actually Border's notice of Channel 3 licence renewal.
SE
Updated compact. That's an interesting choice of words. It has two meanings to my mind. Either 'we're determined to keep PSB as part as our coverage' or 'Hey, PSB is great but and we'll keep it if we have to but we really wouldn't mind if someone else did it'"
Just out of completeness, this is the entirety of what the ITV CEO had to say about public service broadcasting today
https://advanced-television.com/2020/07/13/itv-chief-calls-for-psb-regulatory-overhaul/
Square Eyes
Founding member
QUOTE <Broadcasters urgently need a modern framework that recognises a siesmic shift in the industry> ... "We need
an updated compact
for PSBs which ensures that the benefits continue to match the cost of delivering our public service obligations. Perhaps the greatest benefit of public service broadcasting is the contribution it makes to the health of our democracy../ It provides a gold standard of trusted national and local journalism amid the anarchy of fake news." /QUOTE -Carolyn Mcall, ITV CEO in today's Torygraph Business Section.
Updated compact. That's an interesting choice of words. It has two meanings to my mind. Either 'we're determined to keep PSB as part as our coverage' or 'Hey, PSB is great but and we'll keep it if we have to but we really wouldn't mind if someone else did it'"
Just out of completeness, this is the entirety of what the ITV CEO had to say about public service broadcasting today
https://advanced-television.com/2020/07/13/itv-chief-calls-for-psb-regulatory-overhaul/
RI
I have had a think...
How about if the DCMS held a franchise round in 2024 for Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and possibly the Channel Islands region as well but re-awarded the Channel 3 licences for England to ITV Plc.
ITV Plc. could contest all the regions, and may win some of them. Also, STV would be free to contest a region outside of Scotland.
as someone that grew up with scottish television/STV, i get the feeling that sooner rather than later that ITV will buy STV, and therefore the end of ITV! the way that UTV was swallowed up by ITV, does not bode well for the future!
I have had a think...
How about if the DCMS held a franchise round in 2024 for Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and possibly the Channel Islands region as well but re-awarded the Channel 3 licences for England to ITV Plc.
ITV Plc. could contest all the regions, and may win some of them. Also, STV would be free to contest a region outside of Scotland.
HC
Why would they?
Bear in mind the DCMS usually does what is easiest for Ofcom to administer, so if a rubber stamping of the franchises is the quickest and less time consuming route, then that's what the secretary of state will do.
Plus, of course just down the road later is the BBC Licence settlement deal - which is going to cause more minefield issues than a 'give em all another 10 years' edict for ITV.
Potential tramatic changes for the funding of one, and the ownership and structure of the two biggest PSB broadcasters in the country, will have to be avoided at all costs. One or the other - not both.
Bear in mind the DCMS usually does what is easiest for Ofcom to administer, so if a rubber stamping of the franchises is the quickest and less time consuming route, then that's what the secretary of state will do.
Plus, of course just down the road later is the BBC Licence settlement deal - which is going to cause more minefield issues than a 'give em all another 10 years' edict for ITV.
Potential tramatic changes for the funding of one, and the ownership and structure of the two biggest PSB broadcasters in the country, will have to be avoided at all costs. One or the other - not both.
NL
I have had a think...
How about if the DCMS held a franchise round in 2024 for Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and possibly the Channel Islands region as well but re-awarded the Channel 3 licences for England to ITV Plc.
ITV Plc. could contest all the regions, and may win some of them. Also, STV would be free to contest a region outside of Scotland.
Highly unlikely for several reasons.
Warning: Potential inflammatory opinions ahead
1. The Channel Islands are with respect the smallest and least profitable. Any potential licensee could face the possibility of forking out for not much in return.
2. Northern Ireland is in a unique and potentially perilous position (I'm referring to the franchise). If there was a new franchise round then any potential franchisee would be in for a barrage of questions and enquiries from both sides of the political spectrum about who owned the station and what links (if any) they had to either the Unionists or Republicans. (For the record when Ulster Television launched in 1961 it was comprised of two groups who came together. Both of which were Unionists
3. Wales again with respect has long become submerged into the ITV network to such an extent that a separate licence would struggle with the legacy of what had been before.
4. STV is still independent of the rest of the network and has to a large extent become integrated into the culture north of the border, Scots may see it as "their station" and its possible that as in Northern Ireland the SNP would have a lot of questions about the applicant's background. If STV were allowed to bid for another franchise then its possible and probable that they'd go for "Border North" which would tidy up the network but the English viewers of Border might be up in arms over their channel owned by a Scottish firm. Tyne Tees would complain about a loss of revenue
5. ITV PLC would be up in arms.
ITV as we know it has become part of the country's fixtures and fittings and in many ways we are still a conservative (with a small c) nation and changes such as the ones discussed above would lead to a lot of ructions.
as someone that grew up with scottish television/STV, i get the feeling that sooner rather than later that ITV will buy STV, and therefore the end of ITV! the way that UTV was swallowed up by ITV, does not bode well for the future!
I have had a think...
How about if the DCMS held a franchise round in 2024 for Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and possibly the Channel Islands region as well but re-awarded the Channel 3 licences for England to ITV Plc.
ITV Plc. could contest all the regions, and may win some of them. Also, STV would be free to contest a region outside of Scotland.
Highly unlikely for several reasons.
Warning: Potential inflammatory opinions ahead
1. The Channel Islands are with respect the smallest and least profitable. Any potential licensee could face the possibility of forking out for not much in return.
2. Northern Ireland is in a unique and potentially perilous position (I'm referring to the franchise). If there was a new franchise round then any potential franchisee would be in for a barrage of questions and enquiries from both sides of the political spectrum about who owned the station and what links (if any) they had to either the Unionists or Republicans. (For the record when Ulster Television launched in 1961 it was comprised of two groups who came together. Both of which were Unionists
3. Wales again with respect has long become submerged into the ITV network to such an extent that a separate licence would struggle with the legacy of what had been before.
4. STV is still independent of the rest of the network and has to a large extent become integrated into the culture north of the border, Scots may see it as "their station" and its possible that as in Northern Ireland the SNP would have a lot of questions about the applicant's background. If STV were allowed to bid for another franchise then its possible and probable that they'd go for "Border North" which would tidy up the network but the English viewers of Border might be up in arms over their channel owned by a Scottish firm. Tyne Tees would complain about a loss of revenue
5. ITV PLC would be up in arms.
ITV as we know it has become part of the country's fixtures and fittings and in many ways we are still a conservative (with a small c) nation and changes such as the ones discussed above would lead to a lot of ructions.
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