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CI
cityprod
Rather than starting the break up of England and the wanting to educate people about the past of Cornwall can we get back to the topic at hand?


I think the topic of devolution of media, and the associated subjects that surround it, are perfectly valid extensions of the original topic of what would happen to TV in the event of Scotland voting Yes. The media basically relies on popularism, and with a recent survey in Cornwall showing 64% for some form of devolution to Cornwall, as well as the 45% Yes vote in Scotland, the whole media sector has to be aware that what has been considered as something undesirable and costly, namely regionalism and localness, may actually have to become the default setting for TV and radio stations in order to remain popular. There are a number of TV channels on satellite that already provide 2 different streams for viewers on the Sky Digital platform, one for the UK, and one for Ireland. It may not be long before we see some channels extending that regional advertising idea to Scotland perhaps.
RI
Rijowhi
Rather than starting the break up of England and the wanting to educate people about the past of Cornwall can we get back to the topic at hand?


I think the topic of devolution of media, and the associated subjects that surround it, are perfectly valid extensions of the original topic of what would happen to TV in the event of Scotland voting Yes. The media basically relies on popularism, and with a recent survey in Cornwall showing 64% for some form of devolution to Cornwall, as well as the 45% Yes vote in Scotland, the whole media sector has to be aware that what has been considered as something undesirable and costly, namely regionalism and localness, may actually have to become the default setting for TV and radio stations in order to remain popular. There are a number of TV channels on satellite that already provide 2 different streams for viewers on the Sky Digital platform, one for the UK, and one for Ireland. It may not be long before we see some channels extending that regional advertising idea to Scotland perhaps.


Exactly, it's not just about Scotland. What happens there is likely to have repercussions for the rest of the country, no matter how small.

I think you're right that Scotland (and maybe Wales too) might get a few opt-outs of some other channels in the future, as well as the BBC and STV. Which for the Scottish viewer is far better than the threatened SBS or whatever it was called. Shocked
MK
Mr Kite
Try reading this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_nations. You might actually learn something about us Cornish. Also, this site http://www.celticleague.net/ will help you understand why Cornwall is more connected to Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Brittainy etc... than it is to England. It's the same heritage the same culture, the same racial history. Oh, and Anglo Saxon is most of England's heritage and history, since the demise of the Roman Empire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_settlement_of_Britain Seriously, the google is your friend.


I don't need to read that. I know full well where you get your 'celtic' illuminati from (yep, Wikipedia, where any fantasist can write personal beliefs and desires as undisputed fact). None the less, we're in 2014 and if Cornwall ever seriously had more in common with Galicia than it does with the rest of England (highly debatable) then it's long ceased being the case. Funnily enough, I met some Galicians here in Liverpool a few weeks back. They were clearly Spanish/Southern Europeans and reminded me little of people I've encountered in and from Cornwall. You saying Cornwall has more of a connection to that part of the world than it does to Devon is complete fantasy. You speak the same language as the rest of us in this country (yes, you do), you wear the same clothes, eat the same food, have the same traditions and watch the same programmes (except for the few regional ones you share with Devon). The A38 heads towards Plymouth not Santiago de la Compostela.

That's not to say there's no Cornish identity but it's not unique in that respect and in fact is fairly normal in countries over a certain size. It may be important to you and I don't want to take it away from you but my Liverpool identity is important to me, as will bill asko's local/regional identity be to him no doubt and so on others on here and elsewhere. Yours isn't more important and shouldn't mean special treatment in broadcasting that far larger and equally worthy areas don't get. We need to be getting away from lop-sided devolution and special treatment, not expanding it.
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MK
Mr Kite
[I think the topic of devolution of media, and the associated subjects that surround it, are perfectly valid extensions of the original topic...


Perhaps, though if that's so, a new thread might actually be more valid. Personally, I see little likelyhood of much change. For a start, I don't think England will see any devolution at all, whether as a whole or on a regional/local basis. Secondly, I don't think broadcasting will be on the agenda in regards to devolution to Scotland and Wales. I know the SNP want it but the SNP ultimately will naturally want anything and everything devolved that it can get.
Last edited by Mr Kite on 1 October 2014 12:00am - 2 times in total
RI
Rijowhi
That's weird I didn't post that, it was cityprod...though I agree with what was said.

Sadly I agree with Mr Kite when it comes to devolution, I believe it's unlikely to happen in England because of 'party' politics. However even if England do not get any form of devolution, Cornwall (due to reasons already stated) may well be the exception. Weirdly the other area that I feel should possibly be first at gaining some form of devolution is Merseyside (which I gather from the posts above is home to Mr Kite, so Thank you for reminding me to post about this). That region also has some form of Celt history (through a large Irish population), like Cornwall has been known to be militant towards England (scouse first before English) and has been deprived in contrast to it's North West rival Manchester. However unlike other areas when it comes to BBC/ITV Regional Broadcasting for that area there is not much that can be done due to there only being one Transmitter. This is one area where Local TV could work if done right...

As for Scottish and Welsh Broadcasting becoming more devolved, I agree with Mr Kite that it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.

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A former member
It seems something has been put in under the radar.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/301260-smith-commission-stephen-daisley-on-left-field-powers-being-devolved/


"The Scottish Parliament will have all powers in relation to elections to the Scottish Parliament and local government elections in Scotland (but not in relation to Westminster or European elections). This will include powers in relation to campaign spending limits and periods and party political broadcasts."

(Smith Commission, Pillar 2, Paragraph 23: Elections)


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Gaelic telly

"The power to approve OFCOM appointments to the board of the MG Alba will rest solely with Scottish Ministers."

(Smith Commission, Pillar 2, Paragraph 37: Broadcasting)
DV
DVB Cornwall
The Elections issue was included to overcome the disenfranchising of the newly enfranchised 16 and 17 year olds (who got to vote in the Indyref.) Rather than open a can of worms with GE2015 imminent, the 'easy option' was to extend the powers devolved for the indyref into the Smith Commission final document for all Scottish only polls.

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