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(April 2007)

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GavBelfast
Johnny83 posted:
Northern Ireland probably would end up best off out of the three nations if they went independent as they would most likely go back with the republic



What does that mean? Northern Ireland has never been with the Republic to go back to it - the Republic (or Free State as it was) broke away from the UK, Northern Ireland opted to stay in the UK.

The Republic is doing very well at present, but its ecomomy is fuelled by a property and consumer boom, and is at the behest of a France-Germany dominated ECB. Inflation is rising steadily, there are problems ahead. If Scotland decides to 'go it alone', as the SNP advocate, the Republic might seem like a good example to emulate now, but not in the future. In addition, the Scots wouldn't benefit from hand-outs as the Republic did in the 1980s and 1990s which assisted its economic and infrastructural advancement.

More to the point, British TV programmes, whether shown on RoI stations or watched on UK stations in the Republic, are very popular, emphasising the point I made earlier in the thread. It's unfortunate that there are not more Irish productions, from NI or the RoI, on UK network television, though it would need to be on merit of course.
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Stuart
Johnny83 posted:
Roger Mellie posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:

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After all, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands enjoy the benefits of our TV networks without being part of the UK (and both are self-governing)

Yes good point. The official line is that Man and the Channel Islands are "associated with, but not part of, the UK"

Known as "Crown Dependencies" apparently, the same (I believe) also applies to the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar and St Helena & Ascension Islands

Gibraltar is a "British Overseas Territory" and therefore part of the UK technically. They vote for MEPs as part of the same constituency as me "South West England". (rather odd)
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A former member
623058 posted:
strange that there stop filming it the same year she died!


They stopped filming well in advance of her dying, because there was speculation from the cast in the newspapers because they hadn't filmed anything or been contacted to film anything for ages. I don't think they were told that the last episode was the last episode until the press release.
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Michael
Can just imagine the Queen Mum now...

"Lillybet...I've had a long and fulfilling life....im 102 now....is there anything left for me?"

"Not any more ma....High Road's finished...."

"OK then....night night......"



- As reported by Peter Sissons. Laughter track optional.
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A former member
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Huddy Refreshed
GavBelfast posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Northern Ireland probably would end up best off out of the three nations if they went independent as they would most likely go back with the republic



What does that mean? Northern Ireland has never been with the Republic to go back to it - the Republic (or Free State as it was) broke away from the UK, Northern Ireland opted to stay in the UK.

The Republic is doing very well at present, but its ecomomy is fuelled by a property and consumer boom, and is at the behest of a France-Germany dominated ECB. Inflation is rising steadily, there are problems ahead. If Scotland decides to 'go it alone', as the SNP advocate, the Republic might seem like a good example to emulate now, but not in the future. In addition, the Scots wouldn't benefit from hand-outs as the Republic did in the 1980s and 1990s which assisted its economic and infrastructural advancement.

More to the point, British TV programmes, whether shown on RoI stations or watched on UK stations in the Republic, are very popular, emphasising the point I made earlier in the thread. It's unfortunate that there are not more Irish productions, from NI or the RoI, on UK network television, though it would need to be on merit of course.


Good point. A lot of people forget that the 'Irish Republic' was virtually bankrupt from inception until the late 1980's, and had to rely on state aid from the EU to survive - funny really, they went from one superstate to another.

Scotland would be the same. Salmond and his bunch of cronies will bring havoc to the party, and leave the place in a quagmire of red tape and attacks on Westminster government. Today's latest statement "if the first independence vote fails, we'll have another" - you couldn't make it up!

As for a SBC, it is unlikely that it could survive. It would have to buy in virtually all of its programmes, and the ability to fund two channels would be disjointed. As for commercial tv - forget it. Rememeber S2 on Sky? A supposed need for a Scottish only TV channel floundered within a year. The polls may show that the 'SNiP' is in the lead, but they need partners to work with, but nobody wants to do deals with the fish farmer from up north.

(Just in case you haven't guessed, I am a lifelong Labour supporter.)
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A former member
I would love to vote labour again but we give them a dam good battery at the last By election! ( there a clue there)

there another Question hear: I think it could be link up with Andrewdundee thread:

coudl BBC Scotland be given even more powers its self, do what ever it likes but still be part of the BBC,

I know has some freedom, but could it be given more freedom, then it could set it it own programme times "Expect for live programmes of course! Wink
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Johnny83
Huddy Refreshed posted:
GavBelfast posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Northern Ireland probably would end up best off out of the three nations if they went independent as they would most likely go back with the republic



What does that mean? Northern Ireland has never been with the Republic to go back to it - the Republic (or Free State as it was) broke away from the UK, Northern Ireland opted to stay in the UK.

The Republic is doing very well at present, but its ecomomy is fuelled by a property and consumer boom, and is at the behest of a France-Germany dominated ECB. Inflation is rising steadily, there are problems ahead. If Scotland decides to 'go it alone', as the SNP advocate, the Republic might seem like a good example to emulate now, but not in the future. In addition, the Scots wouldn't benefit from hand-outs as the Republic did in the 1980s and 1990s which assisted its economic and infrastructural advancement.

More to the point, British TV programmes, whether shown on RoI stations or watched on UK stations in the Republic, are very popular, emphasising the point I made earlier in the thread. It's unfortunate that there are not more Irish productions, from NI or the RoI, on UK network television, though it would need to be on merit of course.


Good point. A lot of people forget that the 'Irish Republic' was virtually bankrupt from inception until the late 1980's, and had to rely on state aid from the EU to survive - funny really, they went from one superstate to another.

Scotland would be the same. Salmond and his bunch of cronies will bring havoc to the party, and leave the place in a quagmire of red tape and attacks on Westminster government. Today's latest statement "if the first independence vote fails, we'll have another" - you couldn't make it up!

As for a SBC, it is unlikely that it could survive. It would have to buy in virtually all of its programmes, and the ability to fund two channels would be disjointed. As for commercial tv - forget it. Rememeber S2 on Sky? A supposed need for a Scottish only TV channel floundered within a year. The polls may show that the 'SNiP' is in the lead, but they need partners to work with, but nobody wants to do deals with the fish farmer from up north.

(Just in case you haven't guessed, I am a lifelong Labour supporter.)


Ah, thanks for clearing this up, I never knew the Irish Republic were in financial trouble until the 1980's Shocked

I just can't see it working now, it's just the wrong world climate at the moment
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Huddy Refreshed
623058 posted:
I would love to vote labour again but we give them a dam good battery at the last By election! ( there a clue there)

there another Question hear: I think it could be link up with Andrewdundee thread:

coudl BBC Scotland be given even more powers its self, do what ever it likes but still be part of the BBC,

I know has some freedom, but could it be given more freedom, then it could set it it own programme times "Expect for live programmes of course! Wink


Me thinks you live in Dunfermline, just like me! What do you think of the Lib Dems promising to increase the toll on the bridge to £4, then, amazingly promising to ditch it as soon as the election comes around?
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Roger Mellie
Good point about the EU.

The SNP is hypocritcal on this point. They want to leave the UK to become an independent nation-- yet the SNP want Scotland to remain part of the EU! How exactly will Scotland be independent if it is part of the EU?

SNP claims Westminister lords it over the UK, it takes Scotland's money with little in return and Westminister is undemocratic. The EU is far worse than Westminster than all those counts!! After all-- how is the fishing industry in Scotland these days Mr Salmond?

The ironic thing is that 75% of legislation that passes through Westminister is from the EU anyway Laughing
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A former member
Roger Mellie posted:
Good point about the EU.

The SNP is hypocritcal on this point. They want to leave the UK to become an independent nation-- yet the SNP want Scotland to remain part of the EU! How exactly will Scotland be independent if it is part of the EU?

SNP claims Westminister lords it over the UK, it takes Scotland's money with little in return and Westminister is undemocratic. The EU is far worse than Westminster than all those counts!! After all-- how is the fishing industry in Scotland these days Mr Salmond?

The ironic thing is that 75% of legislation that passes through Westminister is from the EU anyway Laughing


The SNP also has received a lot of funding from Brian Soutar - who opposed the abolition of Section 2A ( that's Clause 28 if you're south of the border! ). How will that sit with their views on equality?
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seamus
Roger Mellie posted:
Good point about the EU.

The SNP is hypocritcal on this point. They want to leave the UK to become an independent nation-- yet the SNP want Scotland to remain part of the EU! How exactly will Scotland be independent if it is part of the EU?
SNP claims Westminister lords it over the UK, it takes Scotland's money with little in return and Westminister is undemocratic. The EU is far worse than Westminster than all those counts!! After all-- how is the fishing industry in Scotland these days Mr Salmond?

The ironic thing is that 75% of legislation that passes through Westminister is from the EU anyway Laughing


That's like saying that the US isn't independent, because they are in the UN and NATO. To me, the only power the EU has is through ecenomics, and the governmental aspect is just barely more powerful than the UN in the respect to mandates and treaties.

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