RD
rdd
Founding member
A lot is the same between Irish (Gaelige) and Scots Gaelic (Gaidhlig), but they are different enough to justify being seperate langauges. Scotland is Alba in Scots Gaelic, but An tAlban in Irish. Its mostly spelling differences, but there are some others. For example taking the BBC Scotland homepage - you have eist a-ritish - eist arís in Irish.
What I would imagine is that a Gaelic TV service in Scotland could buy from / co-produce programming with TG4?
What I would imagine is that a Gaelic TV service in Scotland could buy from / co-produce programming with TG4?
GA
Gareth
Founding member
On a side issue, if Scotland is "Alba" then which language is Ecosse the word for Scotland? is that Scots?
Interesting, I remember in the news a couple of years ago when the Scottish Parliament wanted to make Gaelic an official alternative language to use in the chamber. A large number of MSPs commented that Scots was a far more widely used language in Scotland than Gaelic which AFAIK is used in some of the outer lying islands and very little elsewhere.
Surely a channel that is a mix of Gaelic and Scots programming would be more beneficial?
Interesting, I remember in the news a couple of years ago when the Scottish Parliament wanted to make Gaelic an official alternative language to use in the chamber. A large number of MSPs commented that Scots was a far more widely used language in Scotland than Gaelic which AFAIK is used in some of the outer lying islands and very little elsewhere.
Surely a channel that is a mix of Gaelic and Scots programming would be more beneficial?
GS
No, it's French.
I agree.
Gavin Scott
Founding member
Gareth posted:
On a side issue, if Scotland is "Alba" then which language is Ecosse the word for Scotland? is that Scots?
No, it's French.
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Surely a channel that is a mix of Gaelic and Scots programming would be more beneficial?
I agree.
PH
Could they have carried TG4 instead in Scotland, or is that too "Irish"?
I am not British, so I would not know.
I am not British, so I would not know.
DE
I think as someone posted earlier, while the two languages have the same root and have some similaities, they are largely mutually unintelligible and therefore carrying TG4 in Scotland would not be useful. Welsh, Cornish, Manx and Breton also have roots in Gaellic too, but are also different to the Irish and Scottish languages (though I understand Welsh and Breton are similar enough for speakers to have a conversation).
channel2tv posted:
Could they have carried TG4 instead in Scotland, or is that too "Irish"?
I am not British, so I would not know.
I am not British, so I would not know.
I think as someone posted earlier, while the two languages have the same root and have some similaities, they are largely mutually unintelligible and therefore carrying TG4 in Scotland would not be useful. Welsh, Cornish, Manx and Breton also have roots in Gaellic too, but are also different to the Irish and Scottish languages (though I understand Welsh and Breton are similar enough for speakers to have a conversation).
SI
I think the real problem with this idea is coverage. As has been pointed out there are only 60,000 Gaelic speaker in Scotland. Most of which are on islands off the West coast and DTT coverage is pretty limited in these hilly areas. If they put it on Sky they may have a bit more of a chance (a lot of DSAT in the highlands and islands to work around poor analogue off air reception).
More gaelic tv is a bit of a controvesial issue in urban Scotland lets face it spending more tax payers money on a service that pretty much 99% of the population can't understand at all (60,000 out of five million people). I think most people would agree work should go into preserving Gaelic but what lavel that should come to is pretty hard to balance.
I'd love to know what the ratings of TeleG are. An hour a day with poor coverage in the core areas where people are likely to watch. Do they even get 1000 viewers (seriously)?
More gaelic tv is a bit of a controvesial issue in urban Scotland lets face it spending more tax payers money on a service that pretty much 99% of the population can't understand at all (60,000 out of five million people). I think most people would agree work should go into preserving Gaelic but what lavel that should come to is pretty hard to balance.
I'd love to know what the ratings of TeleG are. An hour a day with poor coverage in the core areas where people are likely to watch. Do they even get 1000 viewers (seriously)?
MU
From my experinces of Irish and Scots Gaelic, and from what native speakers of both languages have told me, communication between the two languages is not a problem. That would then allow TG4 to sell some programming to Tele Gael in Scotland. Prehaps the Scots will then get their equivalent to Ros na Run and Pobol Y Cym.
PH
You know, I have been reading into this since I last posted here, and the one question that I have was why didn't the British Government establish a Scot Gaelic TV Station when C4 and S4C launched.
SP
Presumably because there's a much higher proportion of Welsh speakers in Wales than Gaelic speakers in Scotland.
channel2tv posted:
You know, I have been reading into this since I last posted here, and the one question that I have was why didn't the British Government establish a Scot Gaelic TV Station when C4 and S4C launched.
Presumably because there's a much higher proportion of Welsh speakers in Wales than Gaelic speakers in Scotland.
TV
Presumably because there's a much higher proportion of Welsh speakers in Wales than Gaelic speakers in Scotland.
Not forgetting that propensity of the Welsh to be rather demonstrative in such matters -- the government somewhat underestimating the power of destroying things, setting stuff on fire and going on hunger strike.
Not that I condone that mind you, it's madness of course.
As an aside I was led to believe Cornish and Welsh were mutually understood, but I recently listened to some BBC page where a charming man reads you the news every week in Cornish as you read it, and I'm certain they make it up.
Spencer For Hire posted:
channel2tv posted:
You know, I have been reading into this since I last posted here, and the one question that I have was why didn't the British Government establish a Scot Gaelic TV Station when C4 and S4C launched.
Presumably because there's a much higher proportion of Welsh speakers in Wales than Gaelic speakers in Scotland.
Not forgetting that propensity of the Welsh to be rather demonstrative in such matters -- the government somewhat underestimating the power of destroying things, setting stuff on fire and going on hunger strike.
Not that I condone that mind you, it's madness of course.
As an aside I was led to believe Cornish and Welsh were mutually understood, but I recently listened to some BBC page where a charming man reads you the news every week in Cornish as you read it, and I'm certain they make it up.
SP
Presumably because there's a much higher proportion of Welsh speakers in Wales than Gaelic speakers in Scotland.
Not forgetting that propensity of the Welsh to be rather demonstrative in such matters -- the government somewhat underestimating the power of destroying things, setting stuff on fire and going on hunger strike.
Thank god we were spared The 1982 S4C Riots!
TVDragon posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
channel2tv posted:
You know, I have been reading into this since I last posted here, and the one question that I have was why didn't the British Government establish a Scot Gaelic TV Station when C4 and S4C launched.
Presumably because there's a much higher proportion of Welsh speakers in Wales than Gaelic speakers in Scotland.
Not forgetting that propensity of the Welsh to be rather demonstrative in such matters -- the government somewhat underestimating the power of destroying things, setting stuff on fire and going on hunger strike.
Thank god we were spared The 1982 S4C Riots!