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noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001

Is cable subscription-free though? I thought it was pay-TV in the Netherlands?


Cable penetration is very high in the Netherlands, so I assume many would think of the channels on analogue cable as "free" or "national" channels, even if you have to pay to get them.


Err.. So you pay for it, but it's still free? Not sure I get that... Yes - I know Cable is popular in the Netherlands. Sky is quite popular in the UK. I don't think Sky is free.
amosc1002,107 posts since 19 Dec 2005
Granada North West Today
On the cable you can recieve channel without actually having a box or paying for them. But the number of channels are limited.

When I bought my property in Almere I had no cable connection (i.e. box) but there was an a coaxial lead from the wall which fitted my tv, tuned my TV and hey presto the channels. A week later I got my UPC box and fitted it which meant I had "proper" TV and internet but the number of channels was much more (I was paying €37/month for basic TV, phone and Internet!) If I remember well the channels I got were NED1,2,3 RTL4,5,7,8 SBS6, Net5, Veronica, BBC1,2, MTV and another "music" channel and a couple of the discovery channels (before getting the box)

And then month later - proper TV as my dish was fitted!! Thank goodness for British TV (and we think our has dumbed down!!!) Dutch TV (except for current affairs and news on the NED/NPO channels) is absolutely rubbish and most of it are imports.
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WW Update5,031 posts since 6 Feb 2007

Is cable subscription-free though? I thought it was pay-TV in the Netherlands?


Cable penetration is very high in the Netherlands, so I assume many would think of the channels on analogue cable as "free" or "national" channels, even if you have to pay to get them.


Err.. So you pay for it, but it's still free? Not sure I get that... Yes - I know Cable is popular in the Netherlands. Sky is quite popular in the UK. I don't think Sky is free.


In countries such as the Netherlands -- where more than 90% of households have cable TV --, basic cable is often seen as a utility, in some ways similar to water or power. Yes, people pay for it, but they tend to take it for granted. If they want more pay-TV channels, however, they subscribe to premium packages, similar to Sky's offerings in the UK, that increase their choice.
noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001

Is cable subscription-free though? I thought it was pay-TV in the Netherlands?


Cable penetration is very high in the Netherlands, so I assume many would think of the channels on analogue cable as "free" or "national" channels, even if you have to pay to get them.


Err.. So you pay for it, but it's still free? Not sure I get that... Yes - I know Cable is popular in the Netherlands. Sky is quite popular in the UK. I don't think Sky is free.


In countries such as the Netherlands -- where more than 90% of households have cable TV --, basic cable is often seen as a utility, in some ways similar to water or power. Yes, people pay for it, but they tend to take it for granted. If they want more pay-TV channels, however, they subscribe to premium packages, similar to Sky's offerings in the UK, that increase their choice.


Yes - and since the Netherlands doesn't have a TV licence and funds public TV via general taxation I can see how that would become the case.
noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001
So effectively NPO is funded by a tax on Pay-TV - or put another way - subscription TV includes payment for NPO? It would be a bit like Virgin or Sky paying the BBC £10/month for each subscriber?
amosc1002,107 posts since 19 Dec 2005
Granada North West Today
Don't forget that there is basically no "free" tv as everyone has to pay to watch TV, even the basic channels. But in essence, yes, it is like Virgin, or Sky paying for each of their viewers (but if it was to happen over here it would also mean those watching via Freeview, Freesat etc would also have to pay)
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noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Don't forget that there is basically no "free" tv as everyone has to pay to watch TV, even the basic channels. But in essence, yes, it is like Virgin, or Sky paying for each of their viewers (but if it was to happen over here it would also mean those watching via Freeview, Freesat etc would also have to pay)


But you don't have to pay for FTA DTT in the Netherlands (i.e. Freeview) do you?

You only have to pay for Digitenne stuff - which is encrypted?

NPO1-3 are FTA on DTT (or were when I was in Amsterdam last year). Is there a payment you have to make separately if you are FTA DVB-T only?

I admit that it's a very basic "Free" service - literally just NPO1-3 and a local channel or two - but it doesn't require any kind of viewing card or conditional access system. (I just plugged my DVB-T tuner into my laptop - did a scan and watched)
amosc1002,107 posts since 19 Dec 2005
Granada North West Today
There is no FTA DTT!

There is no "Free" TV is The Netherlands

Everyone has to have the most basic package which includes the commercial channels (RTL4,5,7,8, Net5, Veronica, SBS6)

https://www.digitenne.nl/
http://www.upc.nl/televisie/abonnementen/digitale-kabel-tv-en-radio/
https://www.ziggo.nl/televisie/standaard
http://www.kpn.com/prive/tv-internet-bellen.htm
https://www.tele2.nl/shop/thuis/internet-bellen-tv/

You don't need to have a viewing card to subscribe to the various ways of watching TV - I had the most basic UPC which was a cable splitter which was basically a small black box with 1 lead for the phone and 1 lead for the television (with the basic channels) - the same also applies to the TV sender companies such as Ziggo, KPN, KPN Digitenne and the smaller independents.

Like someone said earlier they see it as part and parcel of the utilities - infact I don't think you can get the TV channels by themselves, nowadays, as they do have to be tied up to a phone package - like mine was which was TV, Phone and Internet for about €40/month!
Last edited by amosc100 on 3 October 2014 4:17pm
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noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001
There is no FTA DTT!


When did that change amosc100? Last time I visited Amsterdam I had zero problems tuning the DVB-T mux with NPO1-3 on it using a small whip aerial - and they were definitely FTA. I used a perfectly standard DVB-T USB tuner running on my Macbook with Elgato EyeTV software. No conditional access required.

** EDIT : So Wikipedia says that NPO1-3 apparently encrypted from August 2014 **

However http://help.npo.nl/faqs/alternatief-gratis-nederland-1-2-3 says :

"In Nederland kunt u via de ether (DVB-T) gratis Nederland 1, 2, 3 en een regionale zender ontvangen. Met behulp van een DVB-T antenne en een DVB-T ontvanger (de meeste nieuwe tv’s hebben een ingebouwde DVB-T ontvanger) is het mogelijk een digitaal TV-signaal op te vangen, zonder dat daarvoor een abonnement bij een distributeur hoeft te worden afgesloten. In het buitenland blijft het Beste van Vlaanderen en Nederland (BVN) via de satelliet gratis toegankelijk."

Which if my German/Swedish and Google Translate are correct states that NED 1-3 are available without a subscription? Does that mean they are FTV rather than FTA? Or is this page out of date?

** EDIT 2 : http://www.dtvmonitor.com/en/digitenne Is useful **

This suggests that the mux on 474MHz carries NPO1-3 FTA. In the summary screen there is no padlock or key next to the NPO1-3 entries (which there are for the Digitenne channels) and when you go to the 474MHz mux the thumbnails have pictures and there is no ECM CA system listed as there are for the channels on the Digitenne package? Pretty certain this confirms that there isn't any Conditional Access on the NPO1-3 channels so they ARE FTA on DVB-T?

(The same appears to be true for the 706MHz and 722MHz muxes carrying the same services?)
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