Worth noting that it looks as if S4C have been digging out their old idents for the 30th birthday programmes - they've been showing archive programmes in primetime every night, as voted for by viewers, and tonight's Wales v England rugby game from 1999 (repackaged with introductory voiceover) has just been introduced with one of the late 90s dragon/flame idents, old logo and all.
The classic fire-breathing forms of the Dragons like the Standpipe might be the most memorable, but I have to say, I always loved that 'Stapler' symbol - the whole design incredibly simple, cute animation with it tugging at the strip of ribbon and then it wagging like a dragon's tongue; all within one locked shot.
Great quirky, minimal sound track as well - which, as with a lot of those old symbols, nicely underscores the continuity after the jingle. It's how symbols should be - unmistakeable for anything else - and with a simplicity that many of today's identities seem to have shunned.
It's a shame that one of the channels most popular shows - Pam fi Duw? - has all but been wiped out from the history of S4C thanks to allegations made against it's creator which resulted in his suicide - indeed there is still a series unaired. It's kind of disrespectful to both the others involved in the show and the viewers to just pretty much erase a show from history, and as we're seeing currently with Saville there seems to be a notion that they need to be wiped out of history due to the crimes, however horrific, committed by them and we're to pretend they basically never existed. In comparison though Saville was a very small part of the BBC's history - Pam fi Duw? was one of the big breakout hits for S4C in the late 90s and in a way ignoring it is like acting as if Michael Jackson never released Thriller.
It's a shame that one of the channels most popular shows - Pam fi Duw? - has all but been wiped out from the history of S4C thanks to allegations made against it's creator which resulted in his suicide - indeed there is still a series unaired. It's kind of disrespectful to both the others involved in the show and the viewers to just pretty much erase a show from history, and as we're seeing currently with Saville there seems to be a notion that they need to be wiped out of history due to the crimes, however horrific, committed by them and we're to pretend they basically never existed. In comparison though Saville was a very small part of the BBC's history - Pam fi Duw? was one of the big breakout hits for S4C in the late 90s and in a way ignoring it is like acting as if Michael Jackson never released Thriller.
If that guy really did do the crimes, people will be so disgusted that they'll no longer want to watch it. A similar thing killed the News of the World newspaper, and it's the same thing with Jimmy Savile. Public opinion literally changed overnight.
If that guy really did do the crimes,
people will be so disgusted that they'll no longer want to watch it
. A similar thing killed the News of the World newspaper, and it's the same thing with Jimmy Savile. Public opinion literally changed overnight.
Massively off-topic rant that Ronnie Rowlands would be proud of in Spoiler Box:
Says who... the media? Politicians? Daytime TV hosts masquerading as serious social commentators?
You're confusing the current macrocosm of the tabloid-led "public outrage" and hysteria that distorts so much of what some would call reality which confuses, shapes and indeed forces the opinions of the current majority of the Great British Public - i.e. mindless sheep-people who read the Sun and watch ITV2 - with the microcosm of a few thousand ex-schoolchildren who grew up watching this programme. Being predominantly of an Anglophonic Cymric persuasion, I wasn't one of them, but I certainly wouldn't let the alleged misdemeanors of one man overshadow the creative product of an entire team of actors and production crew. Nor would it colour my personal enjoyment of said product, especially if it formed such an important part of my childhood. Nostalgia is a powerful emotion, triggered by any manner of external stimuli. Who are they to take that away? Who are they to say to individuals NO! YOU CANNOT EXPERIENCE PLEASURE FROM THIS MEMORY!? This all sounds tremendously 1984-ish to me.
Which is why, on a personal level, I will continue to enjoy listening to the theme tune of Jim'll Fix It. Which is why I don't necessarily skip "Another Rock And Roll Christmas" on my Christmas CD. Which is why millions of people all around the world mourned Michael Jackson (who had just as much evidence against him as Savile) and watch Roman Polanski films.....
I mean, where does it end, seriously? Will there be no more repeats of Reggie Perrin? Will that section of Peter Kay Live At The Top Of The Tower where they sing Jim'll Fix It be edited out from future DVD releases? If the tabloid media have their way, probably, because in their warped, senseless black/white mind, any fleeting, tenuous enjoyment of a product linked with these bogeymen is seen as tacit approval for their actions. And by hammering this way of thinking into their readers, they build up an army of tutting, disapproving, shrieking reactionary dolts whose joy in chastisement is matched only by their faux vicarious rage. Who says the Nuremberg Rallies are a thing of the past? Why do you need an impressionable leader when you have impressionable leader columns?
Also, let's put another fallacy to bed. Outside of strictly quantitative metrics,
public opinion
as an entity, a force, a tangible thing which can be measured and studied, doesn't really exist. Public opinion is just an all-encompassing term used loosely and clumsily as a massive hammer for those with a point to make to force their own opinion onto others. Chicken and egg style, public opinion is formed by...oh...public opinion. It's whatever the media or a political party or an organisation or similar think is flavour of the month. Same as the "silent majority." A silent majority is always invoked, usually by idiots on the fringe of civilised society like religionistas or the BNP, to underline a point and force it upon...er... the ACTUAL silent majority whose views are not necessarily represented by these outcasts. The reason the majority
are
silent is because they are pretty happy with our centrist socially progressive tolerant multi-cultural society with a welfare state and all that comes with it. It's only those on the very fringes of society that seek to change the status quo to further their own aims.
If that guy really did do the crimes,
people will be so disgusted that they'll no longer want to watch it
. A similar thing killed the News of the World newspaper, and it's the same thing with Jimmy Savile. Public opinion literally changed overnight.
Massively off-topic rant that Ronnie Rowlands would be proud of in Spoiler Box:
Says who... the media? Politicians? Daytime TV hosts masquerading as serious social commentators?
You're confusing the current macrocosm of the tabloid-led "public outrage" and hysteria that distorts so much of what some would call reality which confuses, shapes and indeed forces the opinions of the current majority of the Great British Public - i.e. mindless sheep-people who read the Sun and watch ITV2 - with the microcosm of a few thousand ex-schoolchildren who grew up watching this programme.
Strange that you mention The Sun - because one example I cited was the News of the World. The Sun had a vested interest in NOT letting the phone hacking story out, you can't say that they alone have influenced public opinion. And the Jimmy Savile thing is in every newspaper and The Sun wasn't the one who broke the story. In fact, suspicions were aroused because Newsnight investigated him and it got pulled. That's right, it was the high-brow shows, not the low-brow stuff, that's so influential. The NOTW was taken down by The Guardian newspaper, another high-brow source.
