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new idents/presentation (January 2007)

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Paul Clark
Spencer For Hire posted:
Digital Spy Article posted:
The initial series of channel idents, directed by award-winning promo director Simon Ratigan, are said to be based on the concept of "uncontrollable attraction", and "reflect the Welsh feeling of an emotional affinity to the homeland, whether near or far."


That'll be the obligatory bollo cks marketing-speak then which now has to accompany any channel relaunch.


Spot-on!

This whole marketing-speak business really gets my goat. If an identity is good enough, it can sell itself, and the marketing babble will be unnecessary because the viewer will already know what an ident is trying to communicate if it is strong enough.

Chances are the majority of people who won't read such press releases (and thus won't know beforehand what 'feeling' the idents are trying to get across) won't have a clue what they are about when shown them on-screen, and for that reason alone, such marketing-speak is worthless, pointless rubbish.

The only thing it does is to take an idea so hideously poor and mundane, and make it sound like it's a blindingly obvious and ideal concept to represent the channel, which it's not.

Mutton dressed as Lamb(ie-Nairn), methinks.
DB
dbl
Oh god I've just seen the "new logo" it's f**king appalling. Are these designers high or something. Confused
AJ
AJ
From DigitalSpy
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds41516.html

Balloons:
http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/550_s4c_2007_balloons.jpg

Buoys:
http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/550_s4c_2007_buoys.jpg

Chairs:
http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/550_s4c_2007_chairs.jpg

Golf:
http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/550_s4c_2007_golf.jpg
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tvarksouthwest
I thought that last one was sheep when I saw the thumbnail on BrandRepublic!

But seriously, why fix something that isn't broke? Just looks too much like everyone else's idents. "S4/C" - what does that mean? The "emperor's new clothes" moment for TV branding is fast approaching.

The fact that an ident package launched in 1993 was still popular speaks volumes. Television branding used to be something special, then the millennium arrived and the marketeers got carried away by their own egos. Viewers don't think like they do, and as Paul rightly says, a good identity will sell itself.
PS
Paul_S_UK
Just like every other channel's "rebrand" recently then...pointless, lifeless, unimaginative and a waste of time and money!
MD
mdtauk
The idents look crap, but I like the logo.

Also is there really a need to use the dragon on everything welsh? Its not like London has to use red phoneboxes.
BR
Brekkie
Obviously not a Welsh man then!

It's not as if they use "the" dragon - just a subtle element of it in the logo which alot probably won't even associate with it - but that's not the point. It also has far more relevance than the "/"

Back to an old issue then - new logo, new idents - and keeping the "4" in this digital age! Thank god for that at least!
MD
mdtauk
well its the welsh alternative to Channel 4, and that keeps the 4
NI
Nini
So very ho hum. What about this set which isn't bland? Says nothing, does nothing. Could have at least kept the old logo which after 15 years is still solid.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
martinDTanderson posted:
Also is there really a need to use the dragon on everything welsh? Its not like London has to use red phoneboxes.


The Red Dragon is an ancient symbol of Wales. Its at least medieval in origins.

I doubt you can say the same for a telephone box.

You're comparing apples with oranges, and it seems odd that you would given your training in design matters.
MD
mdtauk
I understand it is an Historical symbol to the welsh, but is it what defines the Welsh in this day and age, and is it something which portrays Welsh TV Programming?
JO
Joe
People use similar sort of posts to this one all of the time, but it certainly applies now.

If that logo was put on the mocks forum, people would tear it apart.

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