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What's the point of BBC Two?

Sir Attenborough, former BBC Two controller, says the channel is now indistinguishable from BBC 1 (October 2014)

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TH
Thinker
Most of the savings from closing BBC Three are made in programmes as that makes up the bulk of the channel's budget. The money saved on playout and transmission is negligible by comparison. As they already have the bandwidth, it makes sense to use it for a +1 channel.

I can't really see why ITV or Channel 4 would suddenly start shutting down channels. For one thing, it would be massive destruction of capital to simply scrap something you've invested in for years. Most of the major digital channels are doing fine and are probably both profitable and sustainable on their own. The "terrestrials" are arguably under more pressure.
MA
Markymark
Inspector Sands posted:
JAS84 posted:
]They can't give up the space - BBC Three timeshares with CBBC! Even when Three goes, CBBC still needs the transponder.

More accurately, CBBC shares bandwidth with BBC Three, the transponder/multiplex it's broadcast on is shared with lots of other BBC services.


Which is why BBC 1+1 (if it is to use BBC 3's vacated space) will only be available 19:00hrs to 06:00hrs.

Up to half that time is the overnight BBC News simulcast (which itself is padded out with repeats) and it's arguable whether the 18:00 to 19:00 hrs BBC 1 'news block' is worth showing on time delay (although the regional news might be, but I doubt there will be any regional versions of BBC 1+1 ?)
BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
Markymark posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
JAS84 posted:
]They can't give up the space - BBC Three timeshares with CBBC! Even when Three goes, CBBC still needs the transponder.

More accurately, CBBC shares bandwidth with BBC Three, the transponder/multiplex it's broadcast on is shared with lots of other BBC services.


Which is why BBC 1+1 (if it is to use BBC 3's vacated space) will only be available 19:00hrs to 06:00hrs.

Up to half that time is the overnight BBC News simulcast (which itself is padded out with repeats) and it's arguable whether the 18:00 to 19:00 hrs BBC 1 'news block' is worth showing on time delay (although the regional news might be, but I doubt there will be any regional versions of BBC 1+1 ?)


The plan is for CBBC to get an extra hour, so BBC One +1 would start at 2000, so that the problem of the regional news would be avoided.
RI
Rijowhi
Blake Connolly posted:
Markymark posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
JAS84 posted:
]They can't give up the space - BBC Three timeshares with CBBC! Even when Three goes, CBBC still needs the transponder.

More accurately, CBBC shares bandwidth with BBC Three, the transponder/multiplex it's broadcast on is shared with lots of other BBC services.


Which is why BBC 1+1 (if it is to use BBC 3's vacated space) will only be available 19:00hrs to 06:00hrs.

Up to half that time is the overnight BBC News simulcast (which itself is padded out with repeats) and it's arguable whether the 18:00 to 19:00 hrs BBC 1 'news block' is worth showing on time delay (although the regional news might be, but I doubt there will be any regional versions of BBC 1+1 ?)


The plan is for CBBC to get an extra hour, so BBC One +1 would start at 2000, so that the problem of the regional news would be avoided.


Interesting, though of course there is the bulletin after the 10 o'clock News. I guess this will be handled the same as BBC1 HD with no Regional News? Considering this and ITV's indifferent stance on Regional programming it's surprising that there are Regional versions of ITV + 1...
NG
noggin Founding member
Blake Connolly posted:
Markymark posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
JAS84 posted:
]They can't give up the space - BBC Three timeshares with CBBC! Even when Three goes, CBBC still needs the transponder.

More accurately, CBBC shares bandwidth with BBC Three, the transponder/multiplex it's broadcast on is shared with lots of other BBC services.


Which is why BBC 1+1 (if it is to use BBC 3's vacated space) will only be available 19:00hrs to 06:00hrs.

Up to half that time is the overnight BBC News simulcast (which itself is padded out with repeats) and it's arguable whether the 18:00 to 19:00 hrs BBC 1 'news block' is worth showing on time delay (although the regional news might be, but I doubt there will be any regional versions of BBC 1+1 ?)


The plan is for CBBC to get an extra hour, so BBC One +1 would start at 2000, so that the problem of the regional news would be avoided.


Though they still have the 2225 issue. I assume they will have a BBC One HD style break filler on BBC 1+1 in England but the nations will get variants?
RI
Rijowhi
noggin posted:
Blake Connolly posted:
Markymark posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
JAS84 posted:
]They can't give up the space - BBC Three timeshares with CBBC! Even when Three goes, CBBC still needs the transponder.

More accurately, CBBC shares bandwidth with BBC Three, the transponder/multiplex it's broadcast on is shared with lots of other BBC services.


Which is why BBC 1+1 (if it is to use BBC 3's vacated space) will only be available 19:00hrs to 06:00hrs.

Up to half that time is the overnight BBC News simulcast (which itself is padded out with repeats) and it's arguable whether the 18:00 to 19:00 hrs BBC 1 'news block' is worth showing on time delay (although the regional news might be, but I doubt there will be any regional versions of BBC 1+1 ?)


The plan is for CBBC to get an extra hour, so BBC One +1 would start at 2000, so that the problem of the regional news would be avoided.


Though they still have the 2225 issue. I assume they will have a BBC One HD style break filler on BBC 1+1 in England but the nations will get variants?


Spooky...pretty much the same question. Very Happy
NG
noggin Founding member
Rijowhi posted:
Considering this and ITV's indifferent stance on Regional programming it's surprising that there are Regional versions of ITV + 1...

Ah - but ITV have a very different stance when it comes to regional ADVERTISING. That's why they have the regional +1 variants (and multiple ITV1 HDs)...

Same reason there are multiple Channel Fours on satellite even though there are no regional programme variations.

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