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Sir Attenborough, former BBC Two controller, says the channel is now indistinguishable from BBC 1 (October 2014)

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At least some one is highlighted the trouble with the channel.

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The programmes on BBC One and Two have become indistinguishable, Sir David Attenborough has said, as he admits he would be "seriously interested" to know what had happened to policy at his old channel.
Sir David, who became controller of BBC Two in 1965 and introduced colour to British television, said he can no longer tell which channel he is watching, despite their traditionally differing roles.
Saying the editorial policies of the station were not "overly plain", he added he would be keen to understand decisions behind choosing which programmes to broadcast.
BBC 1 v BBC 2: The differences between them
Speaking to the Radio Times, he added he does not watch cookery programmes, quizzes or soaps, and avoids the Great British Bake Off in favour of more serious documentaries.

Sir David, who has built a career on natural history documentaries, also spoke about the lack of "new and unique" programmes on British television, in a growing industry which favours the guaranteed success of tried-and-tested formats.
He added there is "no conceivable way" he would enjoy the same success if he began his career now, after being offered his first BBC job by watching only one television programme at a friend's house.
Sir David has now announced he is to visit the Great Barrier Reef to make a new 3D programme for the BBC, for their first major new commission after they scaled back their 3D projects several years ago.
When asked about his work at BBC Two, which he joined in 1965, he told the magazine: "It was easy enough for me to say, ‘Yes, I’m only going to do something that is new and unique,’ but it’s difficult to do that now.
"At the same time I can’t tell whether a programme is on BBC1 or BBC2 just by watching it.
“I’m not sure how they would define its policy. I would be seriously interested to know, in a paragraph, not necessarily a sentence, what guides them, what guides the editorial decisions on BBC2, because it isn’t overly plain to me.

“I guess that BBC4 has taken on perhaps the invention and experimental side of BBC2, but it wouldn’t harm them to say so. You know, if they said, ‘That’s what we’re going to do.’ But they don’t actually say it.”
He added of the problems: “It’s been going on for some time.”

Sir David doesn't watch Great British Bake Off because "I've got quite enough to fill my life"
When asked about his thoughts on television today, Sir David said: "The sad thing is that you’d think that the more stations there are, the more varied the output, but the practice is the reverse – the more you get, the more similar they become. And you get genres that become the flavour of the month.
"I mean, I don’t watch any cookery programmes, whether they are competitive, whether it’s the Great Bake Off, or… I don’t watch quizzes either. I mean, they’re perfectly OK – I’m not being snobbish about them – but I’ve quite a lot to do and I don’t put on the television as a sort of ‘filler’.

"I’ve got quite enough to fill my life, and so I only put on programmes that I actually, positively, want to see.”
He added there are a "great number" of subjects scarcely covered by television, with music only broadcast in terms of performance and no serious, regular natural history series.

Sir David also highlighted a perceived trend toward rejecting "expert" presenters on television, saying: "The mood of the audience – or maybe it’s the controllers – is against the expert.

"The general view is that viewers don’t like people coming along and saying they know more about it than you do, so it’s unfashionable."
MA
Markymark
At least some one is highlighted the trouble with the channel.

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The programmes on BBC One and Two have become indistinguishable, Sir David Attenborough has said, as he admits he would be "seriously interested" to know what had happened to policy at his old channel.
Sir David, who became controller of BBC Two in 1965 and introduced colour to British television, said he can no longer tell which channel he is watching, despite their traditionally differing roles.


Well, people watch programmes and not channels , and as non linear delivery increases, that will increase.

Do Sky Sports 1,2, 3 and 4 have different identities ? Of course they don't, events just get shown on any of the four, and that's how it should be. As far as the viewers are concerned they are watching an event on 'Sky'; simple as that. The Beeb need to evolve towards the same concept, keep regular programmes on the channels were viewers are used to seeing them, nothing wrong with that, but special and ad hoc events should be placed on channels that minimise the need to shift regular stuff to other places. Hereby referred to, and the Andy Murray Effect
JA
JAS84
Any of the FIVE. There are five numbered Sky Sports channels now.
MA
Markymark
JAS84 posted:
Any of the FIVE. There are five numbered Sky Sports channels now.


Oh, yes, there you go then (I don't subscribe) Laughing
WH
whoiam989
Bring someone from Denmark's DR and Finland's YLE for TV channel reforms?
DV
dvboy
At least some one is highlighted the trouble with the channel.

Quote:
The programmes on BBC One and Two have become indistinguishable, Sir David Attenborough has said, as he admits he would be "seriously interested" to know what had happened to policy at his old channel.
Sir David, who became controller of BBC Two in 1965 and introduced colour to British television, said he can no longer tell which channel he is watching, despite their traditionally differing roles.


Well, people watch programmes and not channels , and as non linear delivery increases, that will increase.

Do Sky Sports 1,2, 3 and 4 have different identities ? Of course they don't, events just get shown on any of the four, and that's how it should be. As far as the viewers are concerned they are watching an event on 'Sky'; simple as that. The Beeb need to evolve towards the same concept, keep regular programmes on the channels were viewers are used to seeing them, nothing wrong with that, but special and ad hoc events should be placed on channels that minimise the need to shift regular stuff to other places. Hereby referred to, and the Andy Murray Effect

Actually, Sky Sports try to keep certain sports on certain channels eg cricket on 2, tennis on 3, golf on 4
MA
Markymark
dvboy posted:
At least some one is highlighted the trouble with the channel.

Quote:
The programmes on BBC One and Two have become indistinguishable, Sir David Attenborough has said, as he admits he would be "seriously interested" to know what had happened to policy at his old channel.
Sir David, who became controller of BBC Two in 1965 and introduced colour to British television, said he can no longer tell which channel he is watching, despite their traditionally differing roles.


Well, people watch programmes and not channels , and as non linear delivery increases, that will increase.

Do Sky Sports 1,2, 3 and 4 have different identities ? Of course they don't, events just get shown on any of the four, and that's how it should be. As far as the viewers are concerned they are watching an event on 'Sky'; simple as that. The Beeb need to evolve towards the same concept, keep regular programmes on the channels were viewers are used to seeing them, nothing wrong with that, but special and ad hoc events should be placed on channels that minimise the need to shift regular stuff to other places. Hereby referred to, and the Andy Murray Effect

Actually, Sky Sports try to keep certain sports on certain channels eg cricket on 2, tennis on 3, golf on 4


OK, but they don't brand 'Sky Sports Two, the home of cricket', the branding is 'Sky Sports', and the channels
are just five channels, with no attempt at different 'personalties' ?
VM
VMPhil
dvboy posted:
At least some one is highlighted the trouble with the channel.

Quote:
The programmes on BBC One and Two have become indistinguishable, Sir David Attenborough has said, as he admits he would be "seriously interested" to know what had happened to policy at his old channel.
Sir David, who became controller of BBC Two in 1965 and introduced colour to British television, said he can no longer tell which channel he is watching, despite their traditionally differing roles.


Well, people watch programmes and not channels , and as non linear delivery increases, that will increase.

Do Sky Sports 1,2, 3 and 4 have different identities ? Of course they don't, events just get shown on any of the four, and that's how it should be. As far as the viewers are concerned they are watching an event on 'Sky'; simple as that. The Beeb need to evolve towards the same concept, keep regular programmes on the channels were viewers are used to seeing them, nothing wrong with that, but special and ad hoc events should be placed on channels that minimise the need to shift regular stuff to other places. Hereby referred to, and the Andy Murray Effect

Actually, Sky Sports try to keep certain sports on certain channels eg cricket on 2, tennis on 3, golf on 4


OK, but they don't brand 'Sky Sports Two, the home of cricket', the branding is 'Sky Sports', and the channels
are just five channels, with no attempt at different 'personalties' ?

Actually Sky have been making even more of an effort at differentiating the channels around specific events. Most prominent is the dedicated Sky Sports F1 channel, and Sky has renamed Sky Sports 2 to 'Sky Sports Ashes' and most recently Sky Sports 4 to 'Sky Sports Ryder Cup' on a temporary basis, with taglines for each channel such as Sky Sports 5 being 'The home of European football' (even though that is an arguable claim).
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DV
DVB Cornwall
Attenborough has a point, however DQF has impacted the channel's output. It has to be noted though that he's now making an awful lot of content that Is transmitted elsewhere, which might have some relevance to his musings.

BBC TWO does still feature a lot of content that wouldn't get an airing on BBC ONE. The Horizon strand continues to produce high quality science orientated programming. The new Arts developments will find a natural home there too. It's also the home of long-form drama on the BBC. The premiering of Natural History series on BBC ONE has stripped the channel of some key content I'll admit.

Ideally, yes a return to more thought provoking material would be welcomed, but considering the repeat value, it seems to be doing fine now.
MA
Markymark
Attenborough has a point, however DQF has impacted the channel's output. It has to be noted though that he's now making an awful lot of content that Is transmitted elsewhere, which might have some relevance to his musings.

BBC TWO does still feature a lot of content that wouldn't get an airing on BBC ONE. The Horizon strand continues to produce high quality science orientated programming. The new Arts developments will find a natural home there too. It's also the home of long-form drama on the BBC. The premiering of Natural History series on BBC ONE has stripped the channel of some key content I'll admit.

Ideally, yes a return to more thought provoking material would be welcomed, but considering the repeat value, it seems to be doing fine now.


Horizon is very much a curate's egg, there have been some good editions lately, but there's an awful lot
of dumbed down, CGI heavy, 15 mins of content packed into an hour, tosh, clearly aimed at an international sales outlets.
VM
VMPhil
Another thing to note - even if the BBC were to move away from channels as brands, I've noticed they're now introducing brands for specific genres of programmes. I saw a trailer for a nature/wildlife programme on BBC One now that I've forgotten the name of, but it had 'BBC Earth' branding at the start. BBC Music is another one, and presumably there will be more in the near future.

In recent years the BBC have also moved away from crediting programmes as simply 'BBC' or 'BBC Wales' to be more specific such as 'BBC Drama Production London' or 'BBC Entertainment Production Salford'.
CW
cwathen Founding member
markymark posted:
Do Sky Sports 1,2, 3 and 4 have different identities ? Of course they don't, events just get shown on any of the four, and that's how it should be. As far as the viewers are concerned they are watching an event on 'Sky'; simple as that.

Historically, the same type of programming was screened across multiple Sky Sports channels because Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 had to be subscribed to separately and things just carried on from there.


Thus they deliberately distributed the same types of sports across multiple channels so that you had to subscribe to all of it or you'd lose out - it was just money making at it's most callous, not the result of Sky holding some kind of ideological belief in how broadcast TV should work. Now that there is just a single bundle for Sky Sports containing all the channels they are notably changing this and closeting specific sports off to specific channels as others have said.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the next big Sky rebrand sees Sky Sports change from numbered channels to sport-specific ones.

In terms of where BBC2 now sits, it is a shadow of it's former self, but that's because the meat of its remit has been split between 3 and 4, which is madness when BBC2 still has a budget that is more than both of them put together (and it can't all be spent on Top Gear) - it's a casualty of the early-00's madness which resulted in all broadcasters rolling out huge extended channel portfolios to give people more choice which now isn't needed with the OD services that are in place.

As I've said previously, I don't think traditional broadcast TV is going anywhere anytime soon but I do think that the current number of channels isn't sustainable any more (arguably it wasn't ever) and I believe that ALL broadcasters (but particularly FTA ones) will start cutting back on channel count soon. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the BBC eventually ends up as just 1, 2 and the news channel. ITV have also started paving the way for this by renaming ITV1 back to ITV and their newer launches having names rather than numbers and launching ITV Encore as a pay channel even though it only carries content which would fit perfectly onto ITV3 - I think they will end up ditching ITV2, 3 and 4 and end up having only ITV as their sole, main free channel, and anything else will be a named pay channel.

I think BBC2 will eventually reclaim it's position of glory, but it needs the axe to fall on 3 and 4 first.

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