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dosxuk4,067 posts since 22 Oct 2005
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I heard yesterday that Sky actually had to buy the 12 small robotic UHD cameras inside the Church themselves from Sony as they couldn't find a hire company with enough at short notice. This is why they actually got access to the UHD feed, the bigger HDC cameras were provided by the OB companies.


I think they’d be using the brick P43s with a PTZ Head. The BRC-X1000 is a 4K PTZ one but doesn’t offer HDR.


All the remote heads I saw were pan/tilt heads (mostly smartheads) with cameras mounted on them as opposed to actual PTZ cameras.
noggin13,884 posts since 26 Jun 2001
I heard yesterday that Sky actually had to buy the 12 small robotic UHD cameras inside the Church themselves from Sony as they couldn't find a hire company with enough at short notice. This is why they actually got access to the UHD feed, the bigger HDC cameras were provided by the OB companies.


I think they’d be using the brick P43s with a PTZ Head. The BRC-X1000 is a 4K PTZ one but doesn’t offer HDR.


All the remote heads I saw were pan/tilt heads (mostly smartheads) with cameras mounted on them as opposed to actual PTZ cameras.


There's no way an integrated PTZ camera would be used for a 'normal' camera on an event like this. It would be a P1 (if you were in HD) or the UHD P43 equivalent on a separate PTZ mount. At a stretch you might use it for an 'impossible to achieve any other way' shot that is used just once or twice (say a concealed camera in an archway)

The integrated PTZ cameras have compromised, small-sensor, picture quality in comparison and don't intercut seamlessly with HDC1500/2500s (in the case of the P1) or HDC4300s (in the case of the P43) whereas the P1/P43 are essentially a near-identical camera in picture quality terms, and take the same broadcast lenses, just without the ancillary stuff (talkback, SMPTE fibre, prompt, reverse vision etc.)

So its likely that Sony bought P43 brick cameras, and hired remote heads for them, rather than buying 'robotic UHD' cameras.
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noggin13,884 posts since 26 Jun 2001

I don’t think many broadcast companies use GVG cameras in the UK. I think the pool was done with NEP trucks and camera wise they go with Sony - unless it’s a specialty truck that is owned by them but essentially leased out full time by a broadcaster.


Until NEP moved to UHD they were all-LDK (Philips or GVG depending on age Wink ) for their own NEP Visions trucks - both LDK cameras and GVG mixers. Their acquired trucks (OBS, Barcyd and others) were inherited with Sony cameras and mixers and continued largely to run with them. AIUI Visions DID have to use Sony Super Slow mo cameras in their otherwise LDK-based trucks because there weren't enough LDK Super Slows knocking around on the hire mark.

NEP have moved to Sony HDC4300s globally for UHD vehicles - as they have done a global procurement deal with Sony AIUI. They appear to be using the not-liked-by-many SAM Kahuna (now owned by GVG) mixer as it is a good fit for UHD 2110 production (operators don't like it though). There's a hope that the Kahuna IP know-how will be married to the GVG control system and surfaces...

Ironically Arena, who were entirely HD Sony for cameras (and vision mixers), have moved to GVG for their IP UHD trucks, partially because they've totally bought into the early GVG IP solution...
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mapperuo218 posts since 20 Feb 2016
STV North Reporting Scotland
So its likely that Sony bought P43 brick cameras, and hired remote heads for them, rather than buying 'robotic UHD' cameras.


Apologies my wording wasn't to imply they were a combined UHD PTZ unit, I just used that term to differentiate those cameras to the larger ones. Your right the remote heads were hired separately.
noggin13,884 posts since 26 Jun 2001
So its likely that Sony bought P43 brick cameras, and hired remote heads for them, rather than buying 'robotic UHD' cameras.


Apologies my wording wasn't to imply they were a combined UHD PTZ unit, I just used that term to differentiate those cameras to the larger ones. Your right the remote heads were hired separately.


The P43s will probably be redeployed for sport UHD Steadicam use I expect?

It appears that a mix of F55s and PXW-Z450s are used for UHD RF shoulder mounts, though I think I may have seen F55s on Steadicams too. (The PXW-Z450s effectively replacing the PMW-500/450s or PDW-700/800s in that role, though you do see HDCs running RF too sometimes?)
kernow943 posts since 18 Jan 2006
From the listings on Digiguide, it looks as though ITV will be the only broadcaster to show special coverage of the 2nd Royal Wedding of year, of Princess Eugenie on 12th October, with an extended 3 hour This Morning special at 9:25am and a highlights programme at 8pm.

Even the BBC don't appear to have any special coverage, with BBC1, BBC2 and the BBC News channel just having their regular schedules on that day.
noggin13,884 posts since 26 Jun 2001
So its likely that Sony bought P43 brick cameras, and hired remote heads for them, rather than buying 'robotic UHD' cameras.


Apologies my wording wasn't to imply they were a combined UHD PTZ unit, I just used that term to differentiate those cameras to the larger ones. Your right the remote heads were hired separately.


The P43s will probably be redeployed for sport UHD Steadicam use I expect?

It appears that a mix of F55s and PXW-Z450s are used for UHD RF shoulder mounts, though I think I may have seen F55s on Steadicams too. (The PXW-Z450s effectively replacing the PMW-500/450s or PDW-700/800s in that role, though you do see HDCs running RF too sometimes?)


Just to answer this - AIUI the P43 isn't a good fit for Steadicam use (in contrast to the P1 in HD) as it doesn't appear to output Quad3G or 2SI SDI - and instead is designed to run fibre into a BPU? Probably not going to be a neat integration with an RF link as a result. Suspect F55s and Z450s will remain in that role for the moment?
Brekkie29,986 posts since 4 Jan 2003 Recently warned
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From the listings on Digiguide, it looks as though ITV will be the only broadcaster to show special coverage of the 2nd Royal Wedding of year, of Princess Eugenie on 12th October, with an extended 3 hour This Morning special at 9:25am and a highlights programme at 8pm.

Even the BBC don't appear to have any special coverage, with BBC1, BBC2 and the BBC News channel just having their regular schedules on that day.

I think the true status of this Royal Wedding would be more suited to a Jeremy Kyle special.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
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