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chrisdafur7 posts since 3 Aug 2017
Yorkshire Look North (E.Yorks & Lincs)
Wonder how BBC America is doing... it’s had the wedding and then the highlights show on loop since the live show ended


"BBC AMERICA reached more than 11 million viewers Saturday for the Royal Wedding of Prince Harry and Ms. Meghan Markle, the biggest audience in network history. 1.2 million viewers and 430,000 adults 25-54 watched the live ceremony on BBC AMERICA"

http://www.amcnetworks.com/press-releases/royal-wedding-day-draws-more-than-11-million-viewers-to-bbc-america-biggest-day-in-network-history
harshy5,819 posts since 24 Mar 2001
So the BBC go to the efforts of producing it ultra 4k then transmit it in bog standard 1080i to the end viewer, why couldn’t the bbc broadcast it in 4k?

Also Sky 4k is that the best 4k we saw there as I am pretty sure Sky’s software does not even support HDR yet, my guess is if it was made available on iPlayer it might have been better then what went out on Sky.
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UKnews687 posts since 26 Apr 2011
So the BBC go to the efforts of producing it ultra 4k then transmit it in bog standard 1080i to the end viewer, why couldn’t the bbc broadcast it in 4k?

Also Sky 4k is that the best 4k we saw there as I am pretty sure Sky’s software does not even support HDR yet, my guess is if it was made available on iPlayer it might have been better then what went out on Sky.

Again, just because you can produce something in 4K HDR doesn't mean the infrastructure to broadcast or stream it in 4K HDR is in place yet - or at least not with enough confidence to put it live for such a high profile event and risk an embarrassing failure.


How many live HDR broadcasts of major events (not trials) have their been worldwide so far? Not many I don't think, possibly just that golf in the US last week, and that was only a small part of the course.

Also, one word - archive. Along with the fact its a good event to really try it out on (as the blog explains) and learn for the future how to cover something in HDR that doesn't adversely affect the (vast majority of) SDR viewers.

The steps so far make sense - an unannounced (but publicly available) trial, a (deliberately or otherwise) leaked teaser about the 2nd half of the FA Cup Final, then maybe something announced in advance thats higher profile but not so high that if it goes wrong questions will be asked. A match at the World Cup (not involving England) might be a good start. (That is purely guesswork on my part.)
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roo2,233 posts since 6 Aug 2003
London London
So the BBC go to the efforts of producing it ultra 4k then transmit it in bog standard 1080i to the end viewer, why couldn’t the bbc broadcast it in 4k?

Also Sky 4k is that the best 4k we saw there as I am pretty sure Sky’s software does not even support HDR yet, my guess is if it was made available on iPlayer it might have been better then what went out on Sky.

As well as getting the workflow right for live production as in R&D's blog post earlier, the low-key UHD HDR iPlayer trials have also been making sure that the range of supported UHD TVs are handling HLG content correctly (which is particularly relevant since HLG hasn't yet seen much adoption in the wild so some implementations could be a bit wonky). AIUI the trials and ongoing lab testing so far have identified a few device specific issues which have been addressed, so the reluctance to lead on a UHD HDR offering at the moment is understandable.
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derek500656 posts since 10 Dec 2003
Westcountry Points West
Sky Q in Italy started HLG in March, but apparently there's been a few problems. Hopefully these latest tests may have sorted it.

So far the UHD/HLG iPlayer trials have only been in stereo. Although Sky UK's UHD doesn't do HLG yet, the wedding was stunning in SDR and it had Dolby Atmos.
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thegeek4,591 posts since 1 Jan 2002
London London
So the Royal Wedding was covered in 4K HLG HDR and this was the source for the 1080i SDR international feed. Lots of interesting information on the issues creating a 4K HDR live event and the work done to overcome them

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2018-05-ultra-high-definition-dynamic-range-royal-wedding-uhd-hdr

That's a really interesting read. I've heard about another HDR trial where they fed the HDR camera outputs into the mixer crate in one scanner, and the SDR into the crate of a second scanner, with one control surface controlling both. Downconverting the final output sounds like a bit of a neater solution.
Rkolsen2,327 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
So the Royal Wedding was covered in 4K HLG HDR and this was the source for the 1080i SDR international feed. Lots of interesting information on the issues creating a 4K HDR live event and the work done to overcome them

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2018-05-ultra-high-definition-dynamic-range-royal-wedding-uhd-hdr

That's a really interesting read. I've heard about another HDR trial where they fed the HDR camera outputs into the mixer crate in one scanner, and the SDR into the crate of a second scanner, with one control surface controlling both. Downconverting the final output sounds like a bit of a neater solution.

I think that was NBC whic trialed it for Notre Dame Home football games. The cameras were 4K (not sure about HDR) but they ran two trucks and switchers. One was slaved to the other.
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mapperuo220 posts since 20 Feb 2016
STV North Reporting Scotland
I heard yesterday that Sky actually had to buy the 12 small robotic UHD cameras inside the Church themselves from Sony as they couldn't find a hire company with enough at short notice. This is why they actually got access to the UHD feed, the bigger HDC cameras were provided by the OB companies.
Rkolsen2,327 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
I heard yesterday that Sky actually had to buy the 12 small robotic UHD cameras inside the Church themselves from Sony as they couldn't find a hire company with enough at short notice. This is why they actually got access to the UHD feed, the bigger HDC cameras were provided by the OB companies.


I think they’d be using the brick P43s with a PTZ Head. The BRC-X1000 is a 4K PTZ one but doesn’t offer HDR.

I don’t think many broadcast companies use GVG cameras in the UK. I think the pool was done with NEP trucks and camera wise they go with Sony - unless it’s a specialty truck that is owned by them but essentially leased out full time by a broadcaster.
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