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Revamp of Broadcasting house costing more than Wembley?

£800m (February 2006)

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BR
Brekkie
http://media.guardian.co.uk/bbc/story/0,,1715644,00.html


Surely this can't be right:

Quote:
NAO launches inquiry into BBC building work

David Hencke, Westminster correspondent
Wednesday February 22, 2006


The National Audit Office is holding an inquiry into the spending of over £800m of licence payers' money on the redevelopment of the BBC's flagship headquarters at Broadcasting House - only a week after a damning report which castigated the corporation for the way it added £60m to fitting out new buildings at White City.
Alan Williams, the Labour MP for Swansea West and deputy chairman of the powerful Commons public accounts committee, has asked Sir John Bourn, the comptroller and auditor general, for a short report on the BBC management's handling of the work - which has been bedevilled by delays and will now not be occupied until 2010.

The NAO said it had prepared a report and was sending it to the MP.

The BBC has spent around £190m refurbishing the listed building, the original home of BBC Radio, including new studios. They have also restored Lord Reith's orginal office and council chamber to its original art deco glory.

Mark Thompson, the director general, is expected to move back to Broadcasting House from White City. But the building has been completed nine months behind schedule, triggering penalty clauses against the BBC's agent, Land Securities, which is in charge of the design-and-build project.

The cost of the first phase of the scheme has also overrun by £20m. The BBC said tonight that some £7m had been spent on extra security arrangements following 9/11 to protect staff and another £13m has been spent on refurbishing a nearby building, Western House, the headquarters for BBC Radio 2.

The corporation is also planning to spend some £400m on fitting out the new broadcasting centre with some of the most up-to-date technical equipment.

A BBC spokesman said tonight: "We are holding amicable discussions with Bovis and Land Securities on how to proceed. Basically we have to stick to a £800m budget so we will have to make changes to the next phase."

Bovis also confirmed that it was holding discussions with the BBC and Land Securities about the next phase. Work has been delayed on the project while these are completed.

BBC staff, who face losing 4,000 jobs plus further moves from London to Manchester, are critical of the amount of money being spent on new buildings, while the National Union of Journalists has attacked the corporation for wasting cash on the developments.



The figure often quoted for Wembley is £757m.

Obviously technology doesn't come cheap, but this sounds an awful lot!
DA
Dan Founding member
The Project is paid for by a public-private partnership involving a special bond – so no licence fee monies are involved in the development.
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member
At least I'd expect Broadcasting House to be finished on time.

I keep getting Wembley Stadium and the Bath Spa Project mixed up, for some strange reason.
BE
Benjamin
They don't sell Bacofoil in my local Costcutter.
MA
marksi
The costs can be explained as follows:

Wembley Stadium will be full of grass and chairs.

Broadcasting House will be full of state-of-the-art broadcasting equipment.
TR
TROGGLES
Not forgetting the serious falling out with the architect. The fact the original approved design was full off glass facing the street and nobody thought about nutters with an axe to grind. The media centre cost much more because someone forget to put desks and chairs and equipment in the budget. Is there a pattern emerging here?
How about BBC properties selling off part of the training centre at wood norton. They sold the sewerage plant and accomodation block so now everyone has to stop in B&B's and when you need the loo there is a nice new set of mobile toilets because the new owners cut them off.
Is this capable management?
MA
marksi
I've no idea what's going on with the sell-off and management of BBC properties. There are some BBC buildings which were sold to LST and leased back. But then LST and the BBC decided this wasn't working out for anyone and so some further deal was done resulting in LST walking away with a profit of £20-odd-million pounds. Now... if I sell you an orange for £1 and then you sell it back to me and make a profit, is there any way I can also have made a profit?

In Belfast the building housing the Capita call centre and which will soon contain all the BBC human resources (also outsourced to Capita) is owned by the BBC but occupied by hardly any BBC staff (though does contain a studio - no gallery though - you have to drive a scanner truck into the back yard). The BBC staff who don't fit into Broadcasting House in Belfast are located in rented space in a non-BBC building across the road.

Then there is the Media Centre. It has no BBC signage on it. Is this for aesthetic reasons? If so, I can't really understand why it has a big Tesco sign on it. If the lack of BBC signage is for some other reason, what is it?

At TV Centre over Christmas there was no food (incidentally there was no food at most BBC premises but people in TVC feel more important and kick up a bigger stink about such things) because of confusion between the BBC, it's landlord (Land Securities-Trillium) and the company which LST had sub-contracted to supply catering services. God knows how many layers of management are involved to manage all those service contracts just to make sandwiches. How is it more efficient than the BBC employing staff to cook food for it's own staff, or even for the BBC to contract the services of the caterer itself? At every level of the contract, each company will want a slice of the cake (no pun intended).

I'm not suggesting for a moment that this is all madness. There must be some sense in it somewhere. Surely?
TR
TROGGLES
marksi posted:
I've no idea what's going on with the sell-off and management of BBC properties. There are some BBC buildings which were sold to LST and leased back. But then LST and the BBC decided this wasn't working out for anyone and so some further deal was done resulting in LST walking away with a profit of £20-odd-million pounds. Now... if I sell you an orange for £1 and then you sell it back to me and make a profit, is there any way I can also have made a profit?

In Belfast the building housing the Capita call centre and which will soon contain all the BBC human resources (also outsourced to Capita) is owned by the BBC but occupied by hardly any BBC staff (though does contain a studio - no gallery though - you have to drive a scanner truck into the back yard). The BBC staff who don't fit into Broadcasting House in Belfast are located in rented space in a non-BBC building across the road.

Then there is the Media Centre. It has no BBC signage on it. Is this for aesthetic reasons? If so, I can't really understand why it has a big Tesco sign on it. If the lack of BBC signage is for some other reason, what is it?

At TV Centre over Christmas there was no food (incidentally there was no food at most BBC premises but people in TVC feel more important and kick up a bigger stink about such things) because of confusion between the BBC, it's landlord (Land Securities-Trillium) and the company which LST had sub-contracted to supply catering services. God knows how many layers of management are involved to manage all those service contracts just to make sandwiches. How is it more efficient than the BBC employing staff to cook food for it's own staff, or even for the BBC to contract the services of the caterer itself? At every level of the contract, each company will want a slice of the cake (no pun intended).

I'm not suggesting for a moment that this is all madness. There must be some sense in it somewhere. Surely?


Perhaps the sense lies in the possiblity of the quiet destruction of the BBC. If it does not own its own buildings, ie the new media centre in Manchester, Birminghams' Shoe Box, The rather fuzzy circumstances surrounding the media centre, its very easy to get rid of the BBC. The new broadcasting house will be partly owned by the BBC & its 'partner' on a lend lease PFI agreement which forces the BBC to buy it back after 40 years at the going rate whilst paying yearly rent on something they already own. There is a classic bit on the BBC website about the project not being funded with licience fee payers money which is rather strange since the rent will have to come out of the licience fee. Once the new news centre opens what use will be made of TVC? Will it go the way of Pebble Mill? Incidentally Birmingham now costs in excess of £2M per year in rent plus the drama centre which is a lot of money for a corporation spending more money on programming.

An unusual way of doing business

32 days later

MO
Moz
I'm confused about what's happening with the revamp of BH, and the BBC's Broadcasting House website is about as useful as a chocolate teapot on the issue.

I thought that ALL of BBC Radio was moving to the new BH complex, but according to Radio 2's website they're moving to somewhere called Western House.

Also, which bit is BBC News moving into and when? There seems to be three bits to me. The original BH (left in the photo below), a new wing of similar shape opposite it (right, below), and a linking bit at the back. The first two seem to be almost ready, and the back bit has just been started. Is BBC News going in the new wing (right bit below), or the back bit? If the back bit, it can't be until 2011/12, but it has been said they are moving in 2007/8. Has this slipped?

http://static.flickr.com/19/107291004_0344b9c9b9.jpg?v=0
IS
Inspector Sands
Moz posted:
I thought that ALL of BBC Radio was moving to the new BH complex, but according to Radio 2's website they're moving to somewhere called Western House.


Yes, this wasn't part of the original plan, the adding of studios and the refurbishment of Western House contributed to the extra cost for the project.

Radio 1 (and 1xtra) was never going to be in BH,

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Also, which bit is BBC News moving into and when?


All of BBC News in London is moving there - TV news, radio news, World Service, News Online etc (although 5 Live will probably end up in Manchester). They'll move in when everything's finished - 2010 or whatever the current date is

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There seems to be three bits to me. The original BH (left in the photo below), a new wing of similar shape opposite it (right, below), and a linking bit at the back. The first two seem to be almost ready, and the back bit has just been started. Is BBC News going in the new wing (right bit below), or the back bit? If the back bit, it can't be until 2011/12, but it has been said they are moving in 2007/8. Has this slipped?


News is moving into the back section, if you have a look at the broadcasting house website there's a picture of the large, multi-level newsroom that will be built there.

The new wing and the old BH will house radio, which has to move out of the back section so it can be demolished and turned into the new news centre
IS
Inspector Sands
TROGGLES posted:
Incidentally Birmingham now costs in excess of £2M per year in rent plus the drama centre which is a lot of money for a corporation spending more money on programming.


But as they owned the huge Pebble Mill complex, how much did they spend on it's upkeep?

It's like the diffrence in buying a house compared with renting a house - buying tends to cost more as you're responsible for all the maintainence
MA
marksi
Inspector Sands posted:
TROGGLES posted:
Incidentally Birmingham now costs in excess of £2M per year in rent plus the drama centre which is a lot of money for a corporation spending more money on programming.


But as they owned the huge Pebble Mill complex, how much did they spend on it's upkeep?

It's like the diffrence in buying a house compared with renting a house - buying tends to cost more as you're responsible for all the maintainence


Though there aren't many people who would tell you that renting is a good idea in the long run.

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