NW
The only time before that it was repeated was during 1984 on BBC2, my parents recorded them all onto VHS (which we still have), but I remember when the Press made a big fuss about FT being repeated.
I don't mind repeats, but I hate it when it's constantly Only Fools and Horses and that they're always shown in Prime Time, maybe a choice of Repeats would be a bit better. This has been shown recently on a Monday night when BBC1 have been repeating both One Foot In The Grave and Men Behaving Badly, both popular shows, which havent been aired in ages on BBC1 and shown after 10.35pm. If it was more like that, then I don't think many would be bothered.
Though I note that ITV1 shows very few repeats during Prime Time, if they do it tends to be Bond, Morse, Frost or Midsomer, which are all popular.
cwathen posted:
It would also disservice future generations by never repeating anything - the decision to rerun Fawlty Towers in primetime on BBC1 over the summer of 1995 was possibly the best thing the BBC have done with that series (except for comissioning it in the first place of course). It introduced the programme to a new generation who had never seen it before and who would in all likelihood never have chosen to watch it were it only ever on UK Gold.
The only time before that it was repeated was during 1984 on BBC2, my parents recorded them all onto VHS (which we still have), but I remember when the Press made a big fuss about FT being repeated.
I don't mind repeats, but I hate it when it's constantly Only Fools and Horses and that they're always shown in Prime Time, maybe a choice of Repeats would be a bit better. This has been shown recently on a Monday night when BBC1 have been repeating both One Foot In The Grave and Men Behaving Badly, both popular shows, which havent been aired in ages on BBC1 and shown after 10.35pm. If it was more like that, then I don't think many would be bothered.
Though I note that ITV1 shows very few repeats during Prime Time, if they do it tends to be Bond, Morse, Frost or Midsomer, which are all popular.
CW
I wouldn't say the point is being missed at all - saying that they will be gone 'within 10 years' surely means that 10 years is a target by which to have removed repeats, and that process will start well before then.
As to whether or not everyone will have other means of watching them by then, well I wouldn't be sure of that either. 10 years ago (yep, 1995 really was a whole decade ago - scary isn't it!) it was then assumed that 'everyone' would have multichannel TV (beyond the 4 channels they allready had anyway) within a decade. That decade has passed us by and there are still a significant number of people with only the basic 4/5 channels, and the vast majority of TV sets only have them.
In a decade, it is possible that analogue TV will have been turned off and everyone will have some form of digital TV, but this cannot be assured either. And even if it has been, there is no guarantee that FTA channels which carry a full catalogue of BBC repeats will be available to everyone.
And what is for sure - is that once these repeats leave BBC television, so will be all opportunity for programmes to be shown without adverts and without edits, leaving purchasing of overpriced BBC DVDs as the only option.
Whatever happens, it is still highly probable than in 10 years time many people will only have access to certain BBC repeats on the BBC itself, and taking them off the mainstream channels will take them away for many viewers.
If the BBC announced the decision to move repeats from their mainstream channels, but accompanied it with an announcement that they would establish an FTA archive channel (or group of channels - a possible restructuring of UKTV into a (hopefully much smaller) collection of BBC-branded channels would be one idea) available on all platforms to show their repeats then I'd be happier, but on the face of it this sounds like a proposal to remove all repeats from their mainstream channels with no inhouse replacement, which could well leave commercial subscription channels like UK Gold as the only place to see a lot of their output in the future.
In any case, I doubt repeats will ever be fully eliminated - I just don't see it as being finanicially justifiable. Think about it - if analogue is gone in 10 years then that News 24 simulcast could well have to go. Allowing for about 5 hours of news programming per weekday, that would leave them with the need to comission/import 19 hours worth of new, never seen before programming each day (and more at the weekends), none of which would ever be repeated on the BBC ever again.
That would mean doubling their present output and producing programming which they know will have no in-house repeats, how on earth would they maintain quality with that as a proviso?
cwathen
Founding member
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but the point is being missed it say that all reapeats will be gone in 10 years by with time every one will have reapeats thanks to multi-chanel television.
I wouldn't say the point is being missed at all - saying that they will be gone 'within 10 years' surely means that 10 years is a target by which to have removed repeats, and that process will start well before then.
As to whether or not everyone will have other means of watching them by then, well I wouldn't be sure of that either. 10 years ago (yep, 1995 really was a whole decade ago - scary isn't it!) it was then assumed that 'everyone' would have multichannel TV (beyond the 4 channels they allready had anyway) within a decade. That decade has passed us by and there are still a significant number of people with only the basic 4/5 channels, and the vast majority of TV sets only have them.
In a decade, it is possible that analogue TV will have been turned off and everyone will have some form of digital TV, but this cannot be assured either. And even if it has been, there is no guarantee that FTA channels which carry a full catalogue of BBC repeats will be available to everyone.
And what is for sure - is that once these repeats leave BBC television, so will be all opportunity for programmes to be shown without adverts and without edits, leaving purchasing of overpriced BBC DVDs as the only option.
Whatever happens, it is still highly probable than in 10 years time many people will only have access to certain BBC repeats on the BBC itself, and taking them off the mainstream channels will take them away for many viewers.
If the BBC announced the decision to move repeats from their mainstream channels, but accompanied it with an announcement that they would establish an FTA archive channel (or group of channels - a possible restructuring of UKTV into a (hopefully much smaller) collection of BBC-branded channels would be one idea) available on all platforms to show their repeats then I'd be happier, but on the face of it this sounds like a proposal to remove all repeats from their mainstream channels with no inhouse replacement, which could well leave commercial subscription channels like UK Gold as the only place to see a lot of their output in the future.
In any case, I doubt repeats will ever be fully eliminated - I just don't see it as being finanicially justifiable. Think about it - if analogue is gone in 10 years then that News 24 simulcast could well have to go. Allowing for about 5 hours of news programming per weekday, that would leave them with the need to comission/import 19 hours worth of new, never seen before programming each day (and more at the weekends), none of which would ever be repeated on the BBC ever again.
That would mean doubling their present output and producing programming which they know will have no in-house repeats, how on earth would they maintain quality with that as a proviso?
RW
Funnily enough there hasn't actually been a repeat of Dad's Army on BBC1 or BBC2 for quite some time, perhaps a couple of years or so - although it often gets scheduled following a snooker match which invariably means it gets cancelled. As far as BBC2 is concerned the most overexposed sitcom has to be The Good Life, followed by Some Mothers Do' Ave 'Em. At least with Dad's Army there are around 80 episodes which means you don't have to have the same particular episodes coming round too often. Yet the other two have far fewer episodes but seem to get repeated much more often. But wouldn't it make a change to see something completely different like The Goodies for once (no BBC repeats for nearly 20 years), or Marty Feldman, or Rutland Weekend Television?
Robert Williams
Founding member
cwathen posted:
It's pretty much got to the stage now when a half hour timeslot will be filled with Dad's Army
Funnily enough there hasn't actually been a repeat of Dad's Army on BBC1 or BBC2 for quite some time, perhaps a couple of years or so - although it often gets scheduled following a snooker match which invariably means it gets cancelled. As far as BBC2 is concerned the most overexposed sitcom has to be The Good Life, followed by Some Mothers Do' Ave 'Em. At least with Dad's Army there are around 80 episodes which means you don't have to have the same particular episodes coming round too often. Yet the other two have far fewer episodes but seem to get repeated much more often. But wouldn't it make a change to see something completely different like The Goodies for once (no BBC repeats for nearly 20 years), or Marty Feldman, or Rutland Weekend Television?
TV
Indeed - this alone is contributing to endless repeats on BBC2. What BBC2 should think about is putting weekday startup back to 7am and perhaps confining the CBeebies/CBBC slot to two hours. There is simply no need for BBC2 to be on air at 6am. At the same time they could also try dropping "The Witness" and other fillers used to plug short gaps before the Learning Zone.
The Learning Zone itself ought to be slimmed down at non-academic times of the year, ie. school holidays.
STEVE 03 posted:
I think BBC2 should seriously consider cutting down their CBBC/CBeebies schedule. It has been taking over BBC2's morning schedule for far too long. I mean is there really a need to show repeats of CBBC programmes from 6am until 11am every morning? Cheap scheduling definatley me thinks 
Indeed - this alone is contributing to endless repeats on BBC2. What BBC2 should think about is putting weekday startup back to 7am and perhaps confining the CBeebies/CBBC slot to two hours. There is simply no need for BBC2 to be on air at 6am. At the same time they could also try dropping "The Witness" and other fillers used to plug short gaps before the Learning Zone.
The Learning Zone itself ought to be slimmed down at non-academic times of the year, ie. school holidays.
ST
I agree completely as well about trimming down The Learning Zone schedule. And indeed the CBBC schedule should run during the week from 7am until 9am and give BBC2 it's own identity from 9am until 12.30pm when Working Lunch is scheduled.
BBC2 of old was fantastic from 9am everyday. During the school days it was 'Daytime on TWO' and during the holidays they used to treat us to a couple of films.
If I were controller of BBC2 this would be my schedule:
7.00am CBBC/CBeebies
9.00 Film.
11.00 Escape to the Country.
12.00pm The Daily Politics.
12.30 Working Lunch.
1.00 Film.
3.00 Film.
5.00 Today's the Day (New format & presenter)
5.30 Ready Steady Cook (New 30 minute format)
6.00 Film.
8.00 Current Affairs roundup or a documentary.
9.00 Comedy Zone or a Film.
10.30 Newsnight (New 1 hour slot)
11.30 BBC4 on BBC2
12.30am A Film.
2.00 The Learning Zone.
4.00 - 7.00am Pages from Ceefax.
This isn't a great deal better admittidly to what the schedule is now, but at least there is a slight improvement in terms of variety and the CBBC and Learning Zone schedule has been reduced from 4 hours to just 2 hours.
I also wish BBC2 would remove Breakfast news and Weekend 24 from their Saturday morning schedule. I think 4 straight hours of news is pointless scheduling. BBC2 needs it's own identity instead of copying BBC News 24 and the CBBC/CBeebies channels.
BBC2 of old was fantastic from 9am everyday. During the school days it was 'Daytime on TWO' and during the holidays they used to treat us to a couple of films.
If I were controller of BBC2 this would be my schedule:
7.00am CBBC/CBeebies
9.00 Film.
11.00 Escape to the Country.
12.00pm The Daily Politics.
12.30 Working Lunch.
1.00 Film.
3.00 Film.
5.00 Today's the Day (New format & presenter)
5.30 Ready Steady Cook (New 30 minute format)
6.00 Film.
8.00 Current Affairs roundup or a documentary.
9.00 Comedy Zone or a Film.
10.30 Newsnight (New 1 hour slot)
11.30 BBC4 on BBC2
12.30am A Film.
2.00 The Learning Zone.
4.00 - 7.00am Pages from Ceefax.
This isn't a great deal better admittidly to what the schedule is now, but at least there is a slight improvement in terms of variety and the CBBC and Learning Zone schedule has been reduced from 4 hours to just 2 hours.
I also wish BBC2 would remove Breakfast news and Weekend 24 from their Saturday morning schedule. I think 4 straight hours of news is pointless scheduling. BBC2 needs it's own identity instead of copying BBC News 24 and the CBBC/CBeebies channels.
SC
Where would the Weakest Link be?
STEVE 03 posted:
I agree completely as well about trimming down The Learning Zone schedule. And indeed the CBBC schedule should run during the week from 7am until 9am and give BBC2 it's own identity from 9am until 12.30pm when Working Lunch is scheduled.
BBC2 of old was fantastic from 9am everyday. During the school days it was 'Daytime on TWO' and during the holidays they used to treat us to a couple of films.
If I were controller of BBC2 this would be my schedule:
7.00am CBBC/CBeebies
9.00 Film.
11.00 Escape to the Country.
12.00pm The Daily Politics.
12.30 Working Lunch.
1.00 Film.
3.00 Film.
5.00 Today's the Day (New format & presenter)
5.30 Ready Steady Cook (New 30 minute format)
6.00 Film.
8.00 Current Affairs roundup or a documentary.
9.00 Comedy Zone or a Film.
10.30 Newsnight (New 1 hour slot)
11.30 BBC4 on BBC2
12.30am A Film.
2.00 The Learning Zone.
4.00 - 7.00am Pages from Ceefax.
This isn't a great deal better admittidly to what the schedule is now, but at least there is a slight improvement in terms of variety and the CBBC and Learning Zone schedule has been reduced from 4 hours to just 2 hours.
I also wish BBC2 would remove Breakfast news and Weekend 24 from their Saturday morning schedule. I think 4 straight hours of news is pointless scheduling. BBC2 needs it's own identity instead of copying BBC News 24 and the CBBC/CBeebies channels.
BBC2 of old was fantastic from 9am everyday. During the school days it was 'Daytime on TWO' and during the holidays they used to treat us to a couple of films.
If I were controller of BBC2 this would be my schedule:
7.00am CBBC/CBeebies
9.00 Film.
11.00 Escape to the Country.
12.00pm The Daily Politics.
12.30 Working Lunch.
1.00 Film.
3.00 Film.
5.00 Today's the Day (New format & presenter)
5.30 Ready Steady Cook (New 30 minute format)
6.00 Film.
8.00 Current Affairs roundup or a documentary.
9.00 Comedy Zone or a Film.
10.30 Newsnight (New 1 hour slot)
11.30 BBC4 on BBC2
12.30am A Film.
2.00 The Learning Zone.
4.00 - 7.00am Pages from Ceefax.
This isn't a great deal better admittidly to what the schedule is now, but at least there is a slight improvement in terms of variety and the CBBC and Learning Zone schedule has been reduced from 4 hours to just 2 hours.
I also wish BBC2 would remove Breakfast news and Weekend 24 from their Saturday morning schedule. I think 4 straight hours of news is pointless scheduling. BBC2 needs it's own identity instead of copying BBC News 24 and the CBBC/CBeebies channels.
Where would the Weakest Link be?
SC
But isn't it a daliy quiz
STEVE 03 posted:
I would give The Weakest Link a weekend slot on Saturday's and Sunday's on BBC1 or BBC2.
But isn't it a daliy quiz
