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Do we really require so many lifestyle?

asked: Sir David Attenborough (May 2008)

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A former member
at least someone at the top is complaining, but a much better questions it while make a difference's?

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Sir David Attenborough, one of the BBC's longest-serving presenters, has criticised the broadcaster for allowing lifestyle shows to "run rampant".

"Do we really require so many gardening programmes, makeover programmes or celebrity chefs?" he asked.

Sir David said it was "a scandal" that there was "no place for continuing series of programmes about science or serious music or in-depth interviews".

The presenter was giving a speech about public service broadcasting in London.

He singled out the BBC's long-running science show Tomorrow's World as a "very inventive programme", and said the demise of such strands was "sad".

However, the Life on Earth and Blue Planet presenter paid tribute to the "pioneering" work of the BBC's natural history unit, based in Bristol.

"It is a prime example of what public service broadcasting can achieve," he said.

'Pariahs'

Sir David Attenborough and a lizard
Sir David's most recent wildlife series was Life In Cold Blood

Sir David was controller of BBC Two for four years until 1969, before spending three years director of programmes across both BBC One and BBC Two.

He said a publicly-funded broadcaster should "cater for the broadest possible range of interests" and measure success "not only by its audience size but by the range of its schedule".

At its best, he acknowledged the BBC achieved these aims.

"But I have to say that there are moments when I wonder," he added.

"There are times when both BBC One and BBC Two, intoxicated by the sudden popularity of a programme genre, have allowed that genre to proliferate and run rampant through the schedules, with the result that other kinds of programmes are not placed - simply because of lack of space."

Sir David also addressed Ofcom's recent suggestion that the BBC's licence fee could be shared with commercial broadcasters to help pay for public service programmes such as news and children's programmes.

He said the idea had merit, but that regulation would be needed to ensure that such programmes would not be pushed out of peak-time.

"They become the schedule's pariahs, retained under sufferance, tucked away, unloved, where they do least harm to the network's income," he added.

The wildlife presenter's lecture was part of a series organised by the BBC to debate Ofcom's review of public service broadcasting.

Comedian Stephen Fry and former Observer editor Will Hutton will also deliver their personal views on the issue in coming weeks.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7376936.stm
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tvarksouthwest
Odd that Sir David should not single out property shows on the BBC. If you hate them, BBC1 in the morning is a no-go area, and so is the afternoons on BBC2 which seems to be used to rebroadcast BBC1's old property and lifestyle shows.

BBC1 should be making an effort to find something with more universal appeal for weekday mornings. There is some worthwhile output ie. Missing, but axing City Hospital was a mistake.
MM
McMahon
Totally agree with Davey Boy. That is why I so rarely watch BBC channels - true fact.
RM
Roger Mellie
Is the BBC still going ahead with its plans to cut back on the Natural History unit in Bristol-- or has it done so already?
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Inspector Sands
Does the BBC have that many gardening programmes? There's Gardeners World and once a year, the Chelsea Flower Show.. but that's it I think.
NG
noggin Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
Does the BBC have that many gardening programmes? There's Gardeners World and once a year, the Chelsea Flower Show.. but that's it I think.


Yep - the boom of gardening busted a while back. The following were all on air a few years ago, but are no longer in production AFAIK.

Home Front in the Garden
Gardening Neighbours
Garden Invaders
Ground Force

Property, cooking and "making money" genres seem to be the leaders in daytime on BBC One (and C4 for that matter)
DE
deejay
noggin posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Does the BBC have that many gardening programmes? There's Gardeners World and once a year, the Chelsea Flower Show.. but that's it I think.


Yep - the boom of gardening busted a while back. The following were all on air a few years ago, but are no longer in production AFAIK.

Home Front in the Garden
Gardening Neighbours
Garden Invaders
Ground Force

Property, cooking and "making money" genres seem to be the leaders in daytime on BBC One (and C4 for that matter)


and don't forget the antiques/collectibles/make-a-loada-cash-outa-loada-crap programmes...
PA
Paul02
Inspector Sands posted:
Does the BBC have that many gardening programmes? There's Gardeners World and once a year, the Chelsea Flower Show.. but that's it I think.


The BBC policy now is to exploit its franchises so Gardener's World has doubled in length and there will be 'specials' too.

And many more flower shows than Chelsea are covered by the BBC. Gardeners' World has its own event, for instance.

Oh and did you not see Monty Don's recent Around the World in 80 Gardens ?
PA
Paul02
noggin posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Does the BBC have that many gardening programmes? There's Gardeners World and once a year, the Chelsea Flower Show.. but that's it I think.


Yep - the boom of gardening busted a while back. The following were all on air a few years ago, but are no longer in production AFAIK.

Home Front in the Garden
Gardening Neighbours
Garden Invaders
Ground Force

Property, cooking and "making money" genres seem to be the leaders in daytime on BBC One (and C4 for that matter)


It was makeover programmes that went- unless you count personal makeovers.

60 Minute Makeover is one of the few that survived.
IS
Inspector Sands
Paul02 posted:

The BBC policy now is to exploit its franchises so Gardener's World has doubled in length and there will be 'specials' too.

And many more flower shows than Chelsea are covered by the BBC. Gardeners' World has its own event, for instance.


Yes, and it's still not really overkill. An hour on a Friday night and the occasional
special isn't really worth making a fuss about

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Oh and did you not see Monty Don's recent Around the World in 80 Gardens ?


Yes, I accidently caught one episode and it was excellent.

A programme about gardens, certainly.... but I don't think I'd class it as a gardening programme though, it was a documentary.
PA
Paul02
I think half an hour per week is enough- there's a lot of repetition in gardening (and I'm a gardener).

What has been lost, though, with the present approach to programmes, is the occasional alternative perspective that different production teams can give.
ST
STEVE 03
The BBC shows way to many lifestyle programmes and it seems to have got much worse in the last 12 months or so with a new schedule every afternoon on BBC2 showing what BBC1 used to show in the mornings.
BBC1 needs to think about changing it's morning schedule, maybe try a chat show or something like they used to with something like Kilroy or Good Morning with Anne and Nick. They need to compete with ITV1's This Morning and find a new double act to host it.

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