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nwtv20038,341 posts since 5 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today
For anyone who listens to Jason Manford’s Absolute Radio on a Sunday morning probably knows he changes Studios frequently, usually between the main London studio and that of Hits Radio Manchester. To which you do see photos and videos of. But in the past he’s often brought the show from other towns and cities. I’m sure on at least one occasion he presented it from a BBC Local Radio studio.
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Spencer For Hire5,817 posts since 13 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Must be nice, but a little odd for those working aon the local station to have a programme from Radio 1 pop up in the next studio. Bit of a culture shock for those used to BH too.


I remember being at Radio Leeds when Moyles was doing his Saturday mid-morning show from there in 1998. The team there didn't see the funny side of his giving out the answer and phone number for Radio Leeds' competition on Radio 1, meaning their switchboard was jammed with calls from across the country and the quiz had to be abandoned.
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Spencer For Hire5,817 posts since 13 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
For anyone who listens to Jason Manford’s Absolute Radio on a Sunday morning probably knows he changes Studios frequently........... I’m sure on at least one occasion he presented it from a BBC Local Radio studio.


Is that still possible, post-VILOR?


I'm guessing Jason Manford probably doesn't self-op, so I guess all you'd need is mic output from the studio fed to Absolute in London via ISDN, with a tech-op there playing in the music, ads and sweepers. Should be fairly straightforward, I'd have thought.
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Inspector Sands13,524 posts since 25 Aug 2004

I'm guessing Jason Manford probably doesn't self-op, so I guess all you'd need is mic output from the studio fed to Absolute in London via ISDN, with a tech-op there playing in the music, ads and sweepers. Should be fairly straightforward, I'd have thought.

That probably would have been the case before ViLoR too, I doubt they'd be able to bring a load of CDs, and they wouldn't have wanted them having access to the BBC content on the playout system.

I'm not it's as simple as just dialling an ISDN (or some IP codec) though, at least not from the station itself.
Steve in Pudsey9,918 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Not sure the pile of CDs theory is as unlikely as it sounds, that was what Radio 1 used to do when Moyles and co went out to a non-network studio for a one off show. Not sure how they handled jingles etc.

Is it not likely that Absolute used the NCA studio (the radio equivalent of a DTL studio) rather than a full studio if it was just a mic or two? In which case it probably was just dialing up ISDN.
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Andrew13,534 posts since 27 Mar 2001
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I don’t know what you mean by ‘management concerns’, as Big Weekend didn’t finish until late Sunday night it’s quite reasonable that shows starting at 6:30,10:00 & 13:00 would broadcast from Middlesbrough. The show starting at 16:00 (Nick Grimshaw) would obviously have enough time to get back and present from London.
Inspector Sands13,524 posts since 25 Aug 2004
Not sure the pile of CDs theory is as unlikely as it sounds, that was what Radio 1 used to do when Moyles and co went out to a non-network studio for a one off show. Not sure how they handled jingles etc.

Do you think that any radio station has CDs these days? Except maybe a few as backup (and the one at the TX site ready to kick in when needed)

As I understand it ViLoR stations do have some sort of backup mixer and presumably some sort of replay device. I'm sure they have a CD player of some sort for when a local musician guest turns up with a disc. But it's not a regular part of their workflow
Neil Jones5,218 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
I remember a good many years ago now when Jeremy Kyle was at BRMB late one night doing his Late and Live slot and he managed to break one of the CD players in the studio (by accident or otherwise). Anyway they plodded on all night with supposedly only one CD player and as you'd expect it was still broken by the time of the breakfast show at 6am and there's Les Ross peeing and moaning about there only being one working CD player.

Still at BRMB many years later a year or two after it relaunched as Free, the breakfast show (Foxy & Guiliano) ran into a technical studio failure where everything got stuck and they couldn't play any music, adverts, jingles or anything and it was described on air as their only having one CD, the best of something or other with two of the three disks missing. Anyway they switched output to another studio and it was fairly seamless.

And then there was the other time Free Radio's fire alarm went off during the breakfast show which seemed to at that time shut the entire output off for whatever reason, so it fell through to the emergency output after half a minute or so but fortunately they had the right (new) jingles on it. You hear from other emergency tapes (including apparently the one that used to be at Radio 2) voices of people who haven't worked at the station for donkey's years and a range of music and artist the station only ever airs when they've lost all their regular output.
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BBC TV Centre3,109 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Not sure the pile of CDs theory is as unlikely as it sounds, that was what Radio 1 used to do when Moyles and co went out to a non-network studio for a one off show. Not sure how they handled jingles etc.

Do you think that any radio station has CDs these days? Except maybe a few as backup (and the one at the TX site ready to kick in when needed)

As I understand it ViLoR stations do have some sort of backup mixer and presumably some sort of replay device. I'm sure they have a CD player of some sort for when a local musician guest turns up with a disc. But it's not a regular part of their workflow

Guess they'd probably rip it and load it into the VCS and play digitally.

As for jingles etc, I have heard a few setups over the years - from piping the entire output down the line (which sounded a bit ropey), to just having the mics piped into a studio back in London and then having a tech-op fire jingles and play songs.

Interestingly when Moyles was at one of the BBC LR stations I noticed that the cartwall screen they used at R1 followed him, so they probably had a local copy running off a computer with a cached copy of the audio they had back in London and wired the audio of the PC into the studio.

Wouldn't surprise me if with ViLoR any network radio station can easily decamp to the local radio station and be up and running without much issue as the locals are now on Dira. The mic levels on Greg James' show on R1 the other day did sound a bit distorted for some reason, no doubt it was just not set up for him and they just grabbed a studio.
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scottishtv1,734 posts since 6 Nov 2001
STV Central Reporting Scotland
I don’t know what you mean by ‘management concerns’, as Big Weekend didn’t finish until late Sunday night it’s quite reasonable that shows starting at 6:30,10:00 & 13:00 would broadcast from Middlesbrough. The show starting at 16:00 (Nick Grimshaw) would obviously have enough time to get back and present from London.

Indeed, it was sensible. I just stated how it was explained/described on-air.
Steve in Pudsey9,918 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Not sure the pile of CDs theory is as unlikely as it sounds, that was what Radio 1 used to do when Moyles and co went out to a non-network studio for a one off show. Not sure how they handled jingles etc.

Do you think that any radio station has CDs these days? Except maybe a few as backup (and the one at the TX site ready to kick in when needed)

As I understand it ViLoR stations do have some sort of backup mixer and presumably some sort of replay device. I'm sure they have a CD player of some sort for when a local musician guest turns up with a disc. But it's not a regular part of their workflow


ViLoR excepted, studio technology has not massively changed compared with how things were a few years ago when Moyles was playing stuff out from CD at remote studios. Most studios surely have a couple of CD players for backup purposes (and with the amount of music Moyles played that was probably enough!). My point was simply that it was not as daft a suggestion as it sounds.

In terms of ViLoR, my understanding is that the desk is split with two separate mixers, one for local sources and one for sources at the data centre like VCS. If things hit the fan, the local mixer can be fed to TX via ISDN to keep some kind of service going.
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