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SC
scottishtv Founding member
Antz posted:
scottishtv posted:
Isonstine posted:
Though many still use the classic DTMF tones that the RDS unit at the transmitter can listen out for to raise the TA flag.

Forth One in Edinburgh (probably Forth 2 and other former SRH stations) still use them. 'Boogie', the breakfast presenter, is always pretty cheeky after the travel's been read and tries to talk up some big competition or gimmick coming up, then repeats the station name before the 'closing' signals are played out, presumably to try and coax a few listeners over from whatever else they might have been listening to. Tut-tut.

The DTMF isn't used on Drivetime. It's occasionally used for 'Jambusters' but it depends on the presenter.

He doesn't always talk after Jill's travel. It really just depends on timing etc. I don't think its fully because he wants to advertise. The beep, as far as I know, is built into the jingle.

Well, from my experience, he does seem to 'forget' quite a lot. Also, the beep isn't in the jingle - you often hear it over the intro to the next song. Anyway, Forth don't even have travel jingles as far as I am aware - just generic show jingles - but that's radio pres, so I should probably shut up now.
AN
Ant
scottishtv posted:
Antz posted:
scottishtv posted:
Isonstine posted:
Though many still use the classic DTMF tones that the RDS unit at the transmitter can listen out for to raise the TA flag.

Forth One in Edinburgh (probably Forth 2 and other former SRH stations) still use them. 'Boogie', the breakfast presenter, is always pretty cheeky after the travel's been read and tries to talk up some big competition or gimmick coming up, then repeats the station name before the 'closing' signals are played out, presumably to try and coax a few listeners over from whatever else they might have been listening to. Tut-tut.

The DTMF isn't used on Drivetime. It's occasionally used for 'Jambusters' but it depends on the presenter.

He doesn't always talk after Jill's travel. It really just depends on timing etc. I don't think its fully because he wants to advertise. The beep, as far as I know, is built into the jingle.

Well, from my experience, he does seem to 'forget' quite a lot. Also, the beep isn't in the jingle - you often hear it over the intro to the next song. Anyway, Forth don't even have travel jingles as far as I am aware - just generic show jingles - but that's radio pres, so I should probably shut up now.

Matthew Smith on Drivetime always "forgot" to turn it off but everytime I've heard Mr Bouglas, the beep sounds at the very start of the sung jingle (with powered by Belmont etc etc).

They have a bed which is used for general travel (during Drivetime etc). They also have one for Jambusters but during the breakfast show, they talk over the Boogie in the Morning bed.
NW
nwtv2003
When I got my car about three months ago the TP for the Traffic thing started to annoy me, I like listening to BBC Radio Manchester, but it had a habit of flipping over to BBC Radio Lancashire for the Traffic news even when I'm closer to Manchester. Evil or Very Mad Though I managed to find a way to turn it off....hopefully.

I can't say much for the RDS names, I don't usually listen to the BBC National stations, but it's the usual cram it to a few letters kinda thing, such as BBC Manc and BBCymru, which seems to be common. Though when I was driving through North Wales not too long back, I managed to get 'RTÉ 1' on the tuner...
IS
Isonstine Founding member
Antz posted:
scottishtv posted:
Antz posted:
scottishtv posted:
Isonstine posted:
Though many still use the classic DTMF tones that the RDS unit at the transmitter can listen out for to raise the TA flag.

Forth One in Edinburgh (probably Forth 2 and other former SRH stations) still use them. 'Boogie', the breakfast presenter, is always pretty cheeky after the travel's been read and tries to talk up some big competition or gimmick coming up, then repeats the station name before the 'closing' signals are played out, presumably to try and coax a few listeners over from whatever else they might have been listening to. Tut-tut.

The DTMF isn't used on Drivetime. It's occasionally used for 'Jambusters' but it depends on the presenter.

He doesn't always talk after Jill's travel. It really just depends on timing etc. I don't think its fully because he wants to advertise. The beep, as far as I know, is built into the jingle.

Well, from my experience, he does seem to 'forget' quite a lot. Also, the beep isn't in the jingle - you often hear it over the intro to the next song. Anyway, Forth don't even have travel jingles as far as I am aware - just generic show jingles - but that's radio pres, so I should probably shut up now.

Matthew Smith on Drivetime always "forgot" to turn it off but everytime I've heard Mr Bouglas, the beep sounds at the very start of the sung jingle (with powered by Belmont etc etc).

They have a bed which is used for general travel (during Drivetime etc). They also have one for Jambusters but during the breakfast show, they talk over the Boogie in the Morning bed.


Naughty naughty - get on to to Ofcom - it's against the regulations of using a TA flag outside of travel news. The BBC have been very guilty of this through the closing tones not setting the TA flag to off rather than people doing it deliberately - and because they use EON which listens out for any BBC station doing travel news then it can cause much consternation when your favourite CD cuts out repeatedly only to find out BBC Radio Derby are talking about gardening!)
AJ
A.J.A.
I can confirm from my evening out that it's still "RADIO 1" in Belfast (as was originally asked!).
MA
marksi
Is is BBC R1 or BBC.R1? The dot indicates the transmitter is working on its reserve feed.
SP
Spencer
Having a flick this morning, my car radio displayed "BBC R1" when I switched to the station. After about a second, it changed to the usual "RADIO 1".

I've always thought it was a bad idea Radio 1 playing down its BBC heritage, given that surveys always suggest young people don't feel they're getting value from the beeb.
PE
Pete Founding member
Well it's back to Radio 1 this morning. There definitely wasn't a dot although I've seen the dots before.

I liked it when it first changed as the radio in the car had "BBC R1" stored in it's cache so it said BBC R1 then changed to Radio 1. They seem to be emphasising the BBC more on air now however. Plus the website and email addresses all have bbc.co.uk in them so it should be pretty obvious.

moo posted:
(6 posts! not bad for someone who's been around a while (longer than a year anyway)


that's about one and a half posts a year isn't it shaun?
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member
marksi posted:
The dot indicates the transmitter is working on its reserve feed.

A bit like Classic FM then.

CLASSIC<space> indicates main feed; <space>CLASSIC indicates the reserve.

If you're right on the border between a transmitter on main feed and another on reserve, the word appears to be moving backwards and forwards in the little window as the radio switches between the transmitters. A fascinating little effect!
AN
Ant
Isonstine posted:
Antz posted:
scottishtv posted:
Antz posted:
scottishtv posted:
Isonstine posted:
Though many still use the classic DTMF tones that the RDS unit at the transmitter can listen out for to raise the TA flag.

Forth One in Edinburgh (probably Forth 2 and other former SRH stations) still use them. 'Boogie', the breakfast presenter, is always pretty cheeky after the travel's been read and tries to talk up some big competition or gimmick coming up, then repeats the station name before the 'closing' signals are played out, presumably to try and coax a few listeners over from whatever else they might have been listening to. Tut-tut.

The DTMF isn't used on Drivetime. It's occasionally used for 'Jambusters' but it depends on the presenter.

He doesn't always talk after Jill's travel. It really just depends on timing etc. I don't think its fully because he wants to advertise. The beep, as far as I know, is built into the jingle.

Well, from my experience, he does seem to 'forget' quite a lot. Also, the beep isn't in the jingle - you often hear it over the intro to the next song. Anyway, Forth don't even have travel jingles as far as I am aware - just generic show jingles - but that's radio pres, so I should probably shut up now.

Matthew Smith on Drivetime always "forgot" to turn it off but everytime I've heard Mr Bouglas, the beep sounds at the very start of the sung jingle (with powered by Belmont etc etc).

They have a bed which is used for general travel (during Drivetime etc). They also have one for Jambusters but during the breakfast show, they talk over the Boogie in the Morning bed.


Naughty naughty - get on to to Ofcom - it's against the regulations of using a TA flag outside of travel news. The BBC have been very guilty of this through the closing tones not setting the TA flag to off rather than people doing it deliberately - and because they use EON which listens out for any BBC station doing travel news then it can cause much consternation when your favourite CD cuts out repeatedly only to find out BBC Radio Derby are talking about gardening!)

I think I must have worded it wrong.

They don't anymore. Whenever they do use the TA flag its turned off straight after the travel.

Boogie talks over the sung jingle to say the time and Jill comes in with the travel within seconds. He has the "off" beep built into the sponsorship jingle so it is played no matter what after the travel.

Matthew Smith was on ages ago now so I may be wrong about him not turning it off.
IS
Inspector Sands
With the BBC the RDS traffic on command is sent from the station to Broadcasting House and the sent back to all their FM transmitters on the back of Radio 2. This is needed to enable the EON service to work

AFAIK the local stations have buttons to switch the travel flag on and off, they are usually connected to a strobe light which warns the operator/journalist that it is still on. If it is forgotten. the traffic flag times-out after a set amount of time (possibly 3 minutes)
SC
scottishtv Founding member
Antz posted:
Boogie (Edinburgh Forth 1 DJ) talks over the sung jingle to say the time and Jill comes in with the travel within seconds. He has the "off" beep built into the sponsorship jingle so it is played no matter what after the travel.

Funny how we were just talking about the TA flag, then it's very apparent on the radio. Talking about the local station mentioned above, I can confirm that the 'beeps' aren't built into the jingle as Antz suggests.

This morning at half 8, the breakfast DJ managed to f**k it up, playing the opening beep at the start, then again at the end of the travel then saying on air, "Oops. That's the wrong one. Hold on." < beep, beep, beep plays> "That's better! Sorry - it's really important I get those the right way round... anyway..."

I grinned to myself in the geekiest way possible, being 'in' on what happened. Embarassed

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