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ST
Steve Founding member
Davidjb posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Andrew posted:
On Your Call the coversation is all fairly predictable, and they spend all day playing jingles just up to the vocal so should be experts at it


Are you sure these power intro jingles aren't already on the copy of the music on the playout system?


Most jingles are indeed cut onto the song before its on the playout server.


Again, same principle as above... how difficult is it to fire a 6 second ident 6 seconds before the vocals start.

Actually, scratch that, you'd be surprised Smile
DA
DAS Founding member
Steve posted:
DAS posted:

It is common place, especially in commercial radio, for phone calls to be recorded. In fact, nowadays, you will rarely hear a live call on a local commercial station.


Erm not quite true at all - maybe the bigger commercial radio stations, but the smaller ones don't have the resources, technical ability, time or staff to do it / turn it around / put it on air!


I'd suggest exactly the opposite!

It doesn't take many resources or much technical ability to record a call. All those massive resources take the form of digital recording software that often comes with the playout software anyway. The jock can record, edit and playout all by themselves.

Your average request call on a local station would take about 3 minutes. Edit it down to 30 seconds or a minute by getting rid of the preamble and uselessness. Time it so that when they say the name of the song you can hit the sweeper and then the song, which has already started underneath.

A lonely DJ in the middle of the night can EASILY do that while they're playing out two, maybe three songs - especailly if it's automated.
AN
Andrew Founding member
I expect Moyles will use clean versions so he can play all that "Hi I'm the Chris Moyles voiceover guy. This song has a 16 second intro..." business, unless that is all edited on as well. Surely Rachel is being paid to do something?

Plus he's been known to hit the lyric then stop it and go back and do it again properly, especially with his jazz jingles
DA
DAS Founding member
Mostly yes. But it's not true to say that pre-sweepered songs do not exist. Radio 1 love em. Not so much now, but certainly over the last couple of years, many of the playlisted tracks had different variants of sweeper builty in to the intro.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
DAS posted:
Mostly yes. But it's not true to say that pre-sweepered songs do not exist. Radio 1 love em. Not so much now, but certainly over the last couple of years, many of the playlisted tracks had different variants of sweeper builty in to the intro.


Colin & Edith demonstrated not that long ago that jingles are pre laid over the songs as they started the song and kept talking a jingle overlayed as well. They then explained that most of the jingles are pre laid albeit it usually tells them on the server but someone must have labelled it up wrong.
PE
Pete Founding member
DAS posted:
Mostly yes. But it's not true to say that pre-sweepered songs do not exist. Radio 1 love em. Not so much now, but certainly over the last couple of years, many of the playlisted tracks had different variants of sweeper builty in to the intro.


The most noticeable one was probably Franz Ferdinand's Michael
ST
Steve Founding member
DAS posted:
Steve posted:
DAS posted:

It is common place, especially in commercial radio, for phone calls to be recorded. In fact, nowadays, you will rarely hear a live call on a local commercial station.


Erm not quite true at all - maybe the bigger commercial radio stations, but the smaller ones don't have the resources, technical ability, time or staff to do it / turn it around / put it on air!


I'd suggest exactly the opposite!

It doesn't take many resources or much technical ability to record a call. All those massive resources take the form of digital recording software that often comes with the playout software anyway. The jock can record, edit and playout all by themselves.



Ah but if only that were the case...



DAS posted:
A lonely DJ in the middle of the night can EASILY do that while they're playing out two, maybe three songs - especailly if it's automated


How many local radio stations are live overnight from their station then!
DA
DAS Founding member
Steve posted:
DAS posted:
Steve posted:
DAS posted:

It is common place, especially in commercial radio, for phone calls to be recorded. In fact, nowadays, you will rarely hear a live call on a local commercial station.


Erm not quite true at all - maybe the bigger commercial radio stations, but the smaller ones don't have the resources, technical ability, time or staff to do it / turn it around / put it on air!


I'd suggest exactly the opposite!

It doesn't take many resources or much technical ability to record a call. All those massive resources take the form of digital recording software that often comes with the playout software anyway. The jock can record, edit and playout all by themselves.



Ah but if only that were the case...


If only you'd justify your comments! It is the case. I've had a go myself for goodness sake. I'm struggling to see how recording, editing and playing out a telephone call requires any resources, technical expertise or any longer than a couple of minutes.

Steve posted:
DAS posted:
A lonely DJ in the middle of the night can EASILY do that while they're playing out two, maybe three songs - especailly if it's automated


How many local radio stations are live overnight from their station then!


Invicta is one of more than you clearly think.
BB
BBC TV Centre
Davidjb posted:
Colin & Edith demonstrated not that long ago that jingles are pre laid over the songs as they started the song and kept talking a jingle overlayed as well. They then explained that most of the jingles are pre laid albeit it usually tells them on the server but someone must have labelled it up wrong.

Yes, some of the audio buttons/blocks on the cartwall pages are wrongly labelled - as testified by Chris Moyles playing with the emergency pre rec news intros the other day.

Which brings me to my burning (albeit anoraky Laughing ) question - does each presenter have their own set of cartwall pages that cannot be accessed by anyone else apart from them, the producers and the tech ops, or is everything shared so everyone with access to the system can browse and play what they want? So, for example, if Moyles wanted to, could he play some Scott Mills jingles/sweepers/idents on air?
NE
newsmonkey
DAS posted:
Steve posted:
DAS posted:
Steve posted:
DAS posted:

It is common place, especially in commercial radio, for phone calls to be recorded. In fact, nowadays, you will rarely hear a live call on a local commercial station.


Erm not quite true at all - maybe the bigger commercial radio stations, but the smaller ones don't have the resources, technical ability, time or staff to do it / turn it around / put it on air!


I'd suggest exactly the opposite!

It doesn't take many resources or much technical ability to record a call. All those massive resources take the form of digital recording software that often comes with the playout software anyway. The jock can record, edit and playout all by themselves.



Ah but if only that were the case...


If only you'd justify your comments! It is the case. I've had a go myself for goodness sake. I'm struggling to see how recording, editing and playing out a telephone call requires any resources, technical expertise or any longer than a couple of minutes.

Steve posted:
DAS posted:
A lonely DJ in the middle of the night can EASILY do that while they're playing out two, maybe three songs - especailly if it's automated


How many local radio stations are live overnight from their station then!


Invicta is one of more than you clearly think.


DAS is indeed correct here - whilst, Steve, not *each* station may be live, many will tend to share their output.

Their playout system has the phone call pre-rec software built in; calls are recorded whilst the songs are on air then played out later - it makes it sound slicker (as you can segue the songs without cutting of the caller) and avoids any legal problems later on.

BBC locals are the exception - they tend to go by the rule of thumb that since their average listener is 40-55, they're not going to burst into profanity whilst on air, so they take their callers live for the most part.

It takes one person to edit audio - you wouldn't believe the number of times I've still been editing audio that's going to be broadcast on the news bulletin I'm already reading. It's called multitasking, and it's what some of us are paid for!!!!

James
SP
Steve in Pudsey
newsmonkey posted:
BBC locals are the exception - they tend to go by the rule of thumb that since their average listener is 40-55, they're not going to burst into profanity whilst on air, so they take their callers live for the most part.


And it does usually work - even if it's the Tommy Boyd show on Southern Counties on Saturday nights where calls are not only live and without a delay, but also unscreened. Fantastic.
FL
flixishere
DAS posted:
A lonely DJ in the middle of the night can EASILY do that while they're playing out two, maybe three songs - especailly if it's automated


How many local radio stations are live overnight from their station then![/quote]

I could go on forever!

The Big City Network is one of them though - and they're more entertaining during the night than during the day.

I want to be a Walker's Night Knight. Shame Rock FM are pants these days...

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