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JK
JKDerry
ttt posted:
One thing with ITV gameshows of the 90s and 00s though was how they made episodes then kept them on the shelves for months, sometimes years before showing them. Catchphrase was no exception, the episodes they showed in 1993-4 had been made by TVS in 1992 and there were even some 1991 episodes in that run, the later Roy Walker episodes sat on the shelves for ages (according to Wikipedia and UKGameshows, series 11 wasn't shown until after series 12! And there were long breaks between episodes in the other series too), and I think even some Nick Weir episodes weren't shown until 2004, some time after the Mark Curry ones were.


1993-1998 was a really strange period for gameshows on ITV across the board because you had stuff that had been on the air for ages and was then fiddled with (Krypton Factor), attempted to be fiddled with (Bullseye), rehash of a previous format (Strike It Lucky to Strike It Rich). Blockbusters finished and went to Sky (but was for the most part shown on ITV anyway) and then there was the CITV programmes - Finders Keepers had its format changed as well (though by that point it was Fun House in different packaging), the appearance of Crazy Cottage in which nobody had a clue what was going on (though it says here it lasted 3 series for some reason) and Steve Johnson's vehicles, even if he is only ever going to be remembered for Motormouth.


UK companies were starved of cheap, proven formats from the US during this period, as the entire industry there as good as died during the late 80s/early 90s.

It took a while for the UK companies to realign themselves to start developing their own formats.

In the US now only CBS produce their own daily quiz shows, Price is Right with Drew Carey and Let's Make a Deal with Wayne Brady.

NBC, ABC, Fox have abandoned the daytime quiz shows, and it is now largely left to syndication for quiz shows.
TT
ttt
ttt posted:

1993-1998 was a really strange period for gameshows on ITV across the board because you had stuff that had been on the air for ages and was then fiddled with (Krypton Factor), attempted to be fiddled with (Bullseye), rehash of a previous format (Strike It Lucky to Strike It Rich). Blockbusters finished and went to Sky (but was for the most part shown on ITV anyway) and then there was the CITV programmes - Finders Keepers had its format changed as well (though by that point it was Fun House in different packaging), the appearance of Crazy Cottage in which nobody had a clue what was going on (though it says here it lasted 3 series for some reason) and Steve Johnson's vehicles, even if he is only ever going to be remembered for Motormouth.


UK companies were starved of cheap, proven formats from the US during this period, as the entire industry there as good as died during the late 80s/early 90s.

It took a while for the UK companies to realign themselves to start developing their own formats.

In the US now only CBS produce their own daily quiz shows, Price is Right with Drew Carey and Let's Make a Deal with Wayne Brady.

NBC, ABC, Fox have abandoned the daytime quiz shows, and it is now largely left to syndication for quiz shows.


Indeed so, and this dated back to the early 90s. As early as 1987 the networks had essentially abandoned new formats in daytime and went through a phase of bringing back old classics.

Apart from Win Lose or Draw, and Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader, there really haven't been any successful homegrown formats in the US in 30 years now. The first generation of producers (Goodson/Todman, Stewart, Heatter/Quigley, Barris, Barry/Enright and others) all retired or died around this time and those that replaced them just weren't as successful. Griffin was left to clean up.
IS
Inspector Sands
Don’t know if Through the Keyhole has been mentioned yet. When it went to the BBC they showed it across weekdays in daytime. Although a lot preferable to the current version IMO.

The current version is quite good, certainly more entertaining. But it does depend on the people they get, the problem with the format is you can watch for 10 minutes while they go round a house and then find out you've no idea who it is. It's even worse now as the don't reveal it to the viewers at all.


The daytime version I seem to remember was particularly bad for having nobodies, not only had they seemingly run out of people but they'd have had less budget for big stars
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 9 April 2019 6:30am
PF
PFML84
The current version is quite good, certainly more entertaining.
That's certainly a matter of opinion! I think Leigh Francis arsing around pretending to be a character and trying to be funny in forced jokes and to camera pieces is excruciating to watch. From some of the episodes I've seen the clues are sometimes incredibly obvious and it is quite clear the show is a vehicle for Leigh to show off and the game/format takes a back seat to him and his random brand of comedy.



And this is coming from someone who loved Bo' Selecta and the earlier series of Celebrity Juice.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Personally I am not a fan of Keith Lemon, but I appreciate there are people who will like him (and must do, because Celebrity Juice doesn't run for ten years without a fanbase behind it even though I can't stand the programme myself).

Interesting to hear though that the US has effectively given up on game shows.
IS
Inspector Sands
The current version is quite good, certainly more entertaining.
That's certainly a matter of opinion! I think Leigh Francis arsing around pretending to be a character and trying to be funny in forced jokes and to camera pieces is excruciating to watch..

I'm not a massive fan of it either but compared with what Keyhole ended up as it couldn't have been less entertaining.


Lloyd Grossman was his usual fairly dull self and David Frost was just not bothering, spending every episode trying to string out the phrase 'heeeeeerrrrreeeee'ssssssss whose..... house..... it....... is' for as long as possible. And as I say the people whose houses they visited were scrapping the barrel, even more so than the Keith Lemon one.


I did find it a bit odd that David Frost died the night that the first episode of the Keith Lemon version went out Shocked
NT
NorthTonight
The current version is quite good, certainly more entertaining.
That's certainly a matter of opinion! I think Leigh Francis arsing around pretending to be a character and trying to be funny in forced jokes and to camera pieces is excruciating to watch..

I'm not a massive fan of it either but compared with what Keyhole ended up as it couldn't have been less entertaining.


Lloyd Grossman was his usual fairly dull self and David Frost was just not bothering, spending every episode trying to string out the phrase 'heeeeeerrrrreeeee'ssssssss whose..... house..... it....... is' for as long as possible. And as I say the people whose houses they visited were scrapping the barrel, even more so than the Keith Lemon one.


I did find it a bit odd that David Frost died the night that the first episode of the Keith Lemon version went out Shocked


The daytime version had someone different doing the house visits. Think it was Katherine someone, who for a while was on Escape to the Country. From what I remember the home owners weren’t any more / less obscure than the evening version. On the original I remember there being some sports people, like Rachel Heyho Flint, who may have been successful in her own right, but hardly the sort of person that was being talked about in the eighties / nineties, compared to “ contemporary “ people like Daley Thomson.
RO
rob Founding member
The daytime version had someone different doing the house visits. Think it was Katherine someone, who for a while was on Escape to the Country.


Catherine Gee.
JW
JamesWorldNews
rob posted:
The daytime version had someone different doing the house visits. Think it was Katherine someone, who for a while was on Escape to the Country.


Catherine Gee.


Golly's sister?
SW
Steve Williams
That's certainly a matter of opinion! I think Leigh Francis arsing around pretending to be a character and trying to be funny in forced jokes and to camera pieces is excruciating to watch. From some of the episodes I've seen the clues are sometimes incredibly obvious and it is quite clear the show is a vehicle for Leigh to show off and the game/format takes a back seat to him and his random brand of comedy.


Well, that is exactly why they commissioned it, of course - they were trying to launch him on ITV1 and done a few formats which hadn't taken off, like Lemonaid, so they eventually grabbed an existing format that he could use. It would never have been commissioned as a straight game show like the old days, it was purely there for something for Keith Lemon to rummage around in people's knicker drawers.

It's like Harry Hill's Stars In Their Eyes, the aim was not to revive Stars In Their Eyes (which would have looked pretty old hat these days) but to find a format for Harry Hill. I know it didn't work it that instance but it was worth trying.
JA
james-2001
I did find it a bit odd that David Frost died the night that the first episode of the Keith Lemon version went out Shocked


Maybe the new version horrified him that much!
VM
VMPhil
I saw an episode of the Keith Lemon Through the Keyhole a few months ago. Sally Phillips was on the panel and at one point said something about how she thought the set was fancy for a BBC show, before being corrected that it was on ITV.

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