I thought it was Martyn Lewis who broke the news on BBC1. I remember eading a section at the MHP website and i dont think Martyn wore a black tie either.
The coverage of the upcoming war in Iraq will be interesting. Perhaps not from a British media perspective, but certainly from an American one.
CNN is counting on the fact that it has experience of covering such an event. In reality, however, they don't. Very few of the original line up of presenters and correspondents are still at CNN, many having died, moved to other operations, or retired.
Bob Cain, Bernard Shaw, Peter Arnett, John Holliman, Lou Waters, Bobby Battista, Frank Sesno... all gone.
They've got Wolf Blitzer and er... that's it. They still have Novak but not Evans.
CNN is trumpeting their experience, but they've actually left themselves with very little. They've gone in pursuit of youthful presenters with little experience, and its costing them dearly now.
In fact, when Charles I (I think -- James's son) was executed, they held up his severed head to the crowd and said "The king is dead! Long live the king!"
Certainly the monarchy is no stranger to contradiction.
Not quite. When Charles I was executed it marked the temporary end of the monarcy and the start of the new Comonwealth. There was no new king
The statement The King is dead, long live the king, is usually proclamed on the death of each soverign from the balcony at St James Palace. One exception was the death of Charles I
Absolutely correct. When Charles I was executed at Whitehall on 30th January 1649, his son was in exile. The republic was formed and Oliver Cromwell became Lord Protector. Not long after Cromwell's death, Charles' son was proclaimed King of England. The republic lasted quite a long time - 11 years!
If anyone had said "The King is dead, Long live the King" at Charles I's execution, they'd probably have been put on the block too!
(Oh, and don't know if this is correct but apparently Charles will not be Charles III when he is crowned. I heard that he will assume the name George and become George VII. Hell, George VI did it - his real name was Albert).
And no, I am not glued to the History Channel (I don't recieve it!) but am fourtunate to be a historian. Quite useful in cases such as this.
Yes -- you're all right. Apparently, it was in a novel by Edward Rutherford where a fictionalised character said that to himself after the execution, and it stuck in my mind. I went back and looked at Simon Schama's book, and sure enough, there was no mention of it.
Re: Gulf War - ITN did a daily report at around 8pm, but I don't think the need is there now with 24 hour news channels - the main thing would probabley be ITV News at Ten being stuck to 10pm.
Also, don't you think news coverage spoils a war by ruining the element of surprise?
Re: God Save the Queen - at the funeral, when it is sung, would it be King or Queen - anyone remember from 1952?
Of course, when the Queen dies, it'll be something of much greater importance than previous royal deaths, so the coverage will be like we haven't seen before.
So I take it that means hours and hours of a BBC1/2/News 24/World simulcast, ITV/C4/C5 all basically doing the same thing over the same ITN sourced pictures, and a lot of other channels off the air, whilst various pro-monarchy groups start branding Sky One as 'disrespectful' for continuing as normal.
Then several hours later, BBC2 will start showing documentaries on the queen, as will C4 and C5, whilst BBC1 and ITV continue with the same relentless 'coverage' of an event which is over.
I shall be watching a video on that day methinks.
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"Diana fanatics" said a flag should be at half mast - not specifically the Royal Standard. OK, this is flown when the monarch is in residence but, IIRC, the Queen wasn't there when Diana died, was she? She was at Balmoral. Then did she go to Windsor?
IIRC it was a rather large diplomatic blunder by the palace. I thought it was because the union jack is flown only when the queen is in residence, and so was down when she was not there, but as virtually every other union jack in the country was up at half mast, people said that the queen should order the same to be done. Then when it wasn't done, people started questioning why the queen wasn't at buckingham palace, then iirc they did eventually put it up to half mast - but managed to put their foot in it again by pulling it all the way up once the queen eventually returned.
So if Martyn Lewis first broke the news of the crash, and then he was back on at 6am, thats quite a long wait, would he have gone home ( depending on where he lived) or would he have stayed working in the newsroom, or would he have had a brief nap at his desk?
i know its probably a silly question but it would be good to find out
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Larry Scutta
cwathen posted:
So I take it that means hours and hours of a BBC1/2/News 24/World simulcast, ITV/C4/C5 all basically doing the same thing over the same ITN sourced pictures, and a lot of other channels off the air, whilst various pro-monarchy groups start branding Sky One as 'disrespectful' for continuing as normal.
Then several hours later, BBC2 will start showing documentaries on the queen, as will C4 and C5, whilst BBC1 and ITV continue with the same relentless 'coverage' of an event which is over.
That's what everyone said about the Queen Mum, but it won't happen. Times change and broadcasters have learnt a lot from Diana.
We won't get hours and hours of news or documentaries on all channels
That's what everyone said about the Queen Mum, but it won't happen. Times change and broadcasters have learnt a lot from Diana.
I think the difference between Diana and the Queen Mum was that Diana was a big unfolding story. Firstly it took a while before she died, and then there were all sorts of questions to asked as the broadcasters tried to piece together what happened.
But with the queen mum she just died of old age. Once the news had been broken there wasn't really anything more to be said.
And in all likelihood the same thing will happen to the queen.
So if Martyn Lewis first broke the news of the crash, and then he was back on at 6am, thats quite a long wait, would he have gone home ( depending on where he lived) or would he have stayed working in the newsroom, or would he have had a brief nap at his desk?
Some days it's just not worth going home...
I'd go for the "brief nap at desk" option - although he'd obviously managed to find a black tie in the intervening hours.
(I was speaking to someone who'd been working at an RSL radio station, and only left the building four times over the month they were on air. Granted it was based in a hotel, but still...)
MD
M D R
Technically they wouldn't sing '... save the King' until Charles had been made King, surely.
MG
MikeG
M D R posted:
Technically they wouldn't sing '... save the King' until Charles had been made King, surely.
You mean after the coronation? Well, no. The King or Queen is monarch upon the death of their father/mother/closest relation.
An example of this would be Edward VIII - a king in his own right but never crowned. His coronation was due in 1937 - in reality, his brother, Albert took it.