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LS
Larry Scutta
MrTomServo posted:
In fact, when Charles I (I think -- James's son) was executed, they held up his severed head to the crowd and said "The king is dead! Long live the king!"

Certainly the monarchy is no stranger to contradiction.


No contradiction, there is always a monarch - if one dies the next takes over immediately. So 'The King is dead, long live the King' is correct as it actually means: 'The (old) King is dead, Long live the (new) King).

This is also the reason why the Royal Standard should never be at half mast (despite what the Diana fanatics might say) - it represents the presence of the monarch.... which never dies
JE
Jez Founding member
Isonstine posted:
Yes, as I'm sure the passing away of the Queen will be - it will be a very interesting day (possibly few days!!) in terms of TV and radio.

Also...going slightly off topic - with the impending war with Iraq do you think we could we see a return of extended news bulletins and ITN's on the hour reports ala the Gulf War in 1990.

Weird isn't it - often when there is a 'disaster' or crisis is the time that interests us most. Weird, aren't we? Very Happy


I remember ITV had loads of exteneded news bulletins back in 1990 when the Gulf War was on.
PE
Pete Founding member
Jez posted:
Isonstine posted:
Yes, as I'm sure the passing away of the Queen will be - it will be a very interesting day (possibly few days!!) in terms of TV and radio.

Also...going slightly off topic - with the impending war with Iraq do you think we could we see a return of extended news bulletins and ITN's on the hour reports ala the Gulf War in 1990.

Weird isn't it - often when there is a 'disaster' or crisis is the time that interests us most. Weird, aren't we? Very Happy


I remember ITV had loads of exteneded news bulletins back in 1990 when the Gulf War was on.


nowaddays they'll probably do Blind Date Iraq with Sadam Extra on ITV2.
MG
MikeG
Marcus posted:
MrTomServo posted:
In fact, when Charles I (I think -- James's son) was executed, they held up his severed head to the crowd and said "The king is dead! Long live the king!"

Certainly the monarchy is no stranger to contradiction.

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Not quite. When Charles I was executed it marked the temporary end of the monarcy and the start of the new Comonwealth. There was no new king

The statement The King is dead, long live the king, is usually proclamed on the death of each soverign from the balcony at St James Palace. One exception was the death of Charles I


Absolutely correct. When Charles I was executed at Whitehall on 30th January 1649, his son was in exile. The republic was formed and Oliver Cromwell became Lord Protector. Not long after Cromwell's death, Charles' son was proclaimed King of England. The republic lasted quite a long time - 11 years!

If anyone had said "The King is dead, Long live the King" at Charles I's execution, they'd probably have been put on the block too!

(Oh, and don't know if this is correct but apparently Charles will not be Charles III when he is crowned. I heard that he will assume the name George and become George VII. Hell, George VI did it - his real name was Albert).

And no, I am not glued to the History Channel (I don't recieve it!) but am fourtunate to be a historian. Quite useful in cases such as this.
CA
cat
What many people forgot (to my surprise) was that Sissons did not sport a black tie for Diana's death either.

Obviously the weepy staff at the Daily Mail overlooked this, possibly being too busy turning Diana into a saint.

It was barely mentioned at the time, only mentioned briefly in TV review columns.

Perhaps Sissons just likes to take the p*ss. That or he's unable to dress himself appropriately.
MG
MikeG
Larry Scutta posted:
MrTomServo posted:
In fact, when Charles I (I think -- James's son) was executed, they held up his severed head to the crowd and said "The king is dead! Long live the king!"

Certainly the monarchy is no stranger to contradiction.


No contradiction, there is always a monarch - if one dies the next takes over immediately. So 'The King is dead, long live the King' is correct as it actually means: 'The (old) King is dead, Long live the (new) King).


Unless one abdicates and then it's basically 'out of the backdoor' and 'in with the new one'. Quite strange that. All blazing 'bureaucracy' when one dies but when one doesn't want the job, they are treated like sh*t.

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This is also the reason why the Royal Standard should never be at half mast (despite what the Diana fanatics might say) - it represents the presence of the monarch.... which never dies


"Diana fanatics" said a flag should be at half mast - not specifically the Royal Standard. OK, this is flown when the monarch is in residence but, IIRC, the Queen wasn't there when Diana died, was she? She was at Balmoral. Then did she go to Windsor?

Also, and I can't quite remember but isn't Buckingham Palace owned by the State? It's not one of the privately residences, is it? If it is owned by the State then the public had quite a good argument for saying the flag should be at half mast - never mind which flag.
MO
Moz
I doubt we'd see the same sort of coverage of any upcoming Gulf War as we did the last time.

From what I can remember, BBC1 had almost blanket coverage, certainly in the daytime. It went something like this:

0600 Breakfast Time (War coverage)
0900 The War (with David Dimbleby presenting - I think they had a kind of DOG with the time and Gulf Conflict : Day 14, or whatever)
1300 One O'Clock News (War coverage)
1330 Neighbours
1400 The War
1730 Neighbours
1800 Six O'Clock News
1830 Regional News Magazine
1900 The War - maybe some other programmes too?
1930 Eastenders
2000 Can't remember
2100 Nine O'Clock news

etc

We wouldn't get that now as nearly everyone can get News 24 (if they go and spend £99 on a box - the misers!)
RE
Re-it-er-ate
c@t posted:
What many people forgot (to my surprise) was that Sissons did not sport a black tie for Diana's death either.

Obviously the weepy staff at the Daily Mail overlooked this, possibly being too busy turning Diana into a saint.

It was barely mentioned at the time, only mentioned briefly in TV review columns.

Perhaps Sissons just likes to take the p*ss. That or he's unable to dress himself appropriately.


I thought it was Martyn Lewis who broke the news on BBC1. I remember eading a section at the MHP website and i dont think Martyn wore a black tie either.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Speaking of important people dying, Lord Jenkins - a former Home Secretary has died. Breaking News on News 24, and presumably on Sky once they come out of their Year in Review. (well, he's important enough to have a pre-prepared obituary)
MG
MikeG
Didn't BBC One take BBC World? I know Nik Gowing broke it on BBC World.
LS
Larry Scutta
Re-it-er-ate posted:

I thought it was Martyn Lewis who broke the news on BBC1. I remember eading a section at the MHP website and i dont think Martyn wore a black tie either.


Martyn Lewis was the first domestic newsreader on air (at 6:00am IIRC) but the news was broken by Nik Gowing as BBC1 was showing BBC World at the time
LS
Larry Scutta
MikeG posted:

"Diana fanatics" said a flag should be at half mast - not specifically the Royal Standard. OK, this is flown when the monarch is in residence but, IIRC, the Queen wasn't there when Diana died, was she? She was at Balmoral. Then did she go to Windsor?



They were saying 'where is the flag' when in fact there wasn't supposed to be a flag there at all. The only flag that ever flew there was the Royal Standard, that iswhy there is a flagpole there in the first place. But in the hysteria of those days common sense didn't prevail

There was a great moment when the Queen arrived and the Royal Standard went up, but got stuck half way. the crowd in the Mall went ooooooooohhhh......aaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Fools!

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