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Has television delivered? (December 2013)

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gottago 21 December 2013 5:37pm

Here is one from someone who is mostly anti reality, so many media students have to make a short film, ( 5 -10 minutes), for final projects, I think a series on BBC3 showing students short films with the audience voting for the best of the night where the winning film maker be given a chance to work on a project with experienced proffessionals. Give the chance to some new talent.

No one would watch that and the films will likely be of a low quality anyway.

Merry Christmas!

WE

weealx 21 December 2013 6:45pm

I would like to see a trial of reality programmes dropped to BBC2 or BBC3.

It's not quite the football league pyramid how the BBC's channels work, you do realise that don't you? You've also not given a logical reason for this to occur other than your own personal taste.

Jon, Nothing to do with football and the comparrison is invalid. Personal taste has nothing to do with my question, hence I started with a question.
Perhaps then you could put forward the arguement for reality over good drama, and give the benefit of your experience.

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dosxuk 21 December 2013 7:19pm

Perhaps then you could put forward the arguement for reality over good drama, and give the benefit of your experience.

How about, it's popular, and continues to draw in audiences.

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weealx 21 December 2013 7:24pm

Perhaps then you could put forward the arguement for reality over good drama, and give the benefit of your experience.

How about, it's popular, and continues to draw in audiences.

How about it is cheaper and money to be made from phone voting, and by your arguement good dramas are not popular or draw audiences. A quality drama will make money with oversea sales, and show that this country still has an awful lot of talent above and below the line.

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weealx 21 December 2013 7:29pm

gottago posted:

Here is one from someone who is mostly anti reality, so many media students have to make a short film, ( 5 -10 minutes), for final projects, I think a series on BBC3 showing students short films with the audience voting for the best of the night where the winning film maker be given a chance to work on a project with experienced proffessionals. Give the chance to some new talent.

No one would watch that and the films will likely be of a low quality anyway.

Merry Christmas!

I think if you watch some of these films you would be surprised at the quality, or do you not believe in the future of young talent? If we in this country will not give these people a chance then where will the industry be in the next 10 -20 years?

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dosxuk 21 December 2013 7:39pm

by your arguement good dramas are not popular or draw audiences.

No, you inferred that, and you'd be wrong. There is some good drama out there, scheduled alongside reality shows. If the reality shows were unpopular, or failed to get an audience (like most student films), they wouldn't be in the primetime spots.

And if you think an episode of XFactor is cheaper than a student film, then I beleive you need to pay more attention at Uni.

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bilky asko 21 December 2013 8:53pm

I would like to see a trial of reality programmes dropped to BBC2 or BBC3.

It's not quite the football league pyramid how the BBC's channels work, you do realise that don't you? You've also not given a logical reason for this to occur other than your own personal taste.

Jon, Nothing to do with football and the comparrison is invalid..

Did you read his post? He is saying that programmes don't get relegated to BBC Two, BBC Three, and so on (unlike the Football League), which is what your post implies.

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gottago 21 December 2013 9:05pm

gottago posted:

Here is one from someone who is mostly anti reality, so many media students have to make a short film, ( 5 -10 minutes), for final projects, I think a series on BBC3 showing students short films with the audience voting for the best of the night where the winning film maker be given a chance to work on a project with experienced proffessionals. Give the chance to some new talent.

No one would watch that and the films will likely be of a low quality anyway.

Merry Christmas!

I think if you watch some of these films you would be surprised at the quality, or do you not believe in the future of young talent? If we in this country will not give these people a chance then where will the industry be in the next 10 -20 years?

I am young talent! You might think those films look good now but once you get a bit of industry experience you'll realise that they're no where near broadcast quality. We shot ours on industry standard HD cameras and were trained by people who'd worked in telly for years... but regardless no-one outside the university would have enjoyed watching them.

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weealx 22 December 2013 12:06am

by your arguement good dramas are not popular or draw audiences.

No, you inferred that, and you'd be wrong. There is some good drama out there, scheduled alongside reality shows. If the reality shows were unpopular, or failed to get an audience (like most student films), they wouldn't be in the primetime spots.

And if you think an episode of XFactor is cheaper than a student film, then I beleive you need to pay more attention at Uni.

I was not making comparrison with reality shows to student films, where did you get that idea from?

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Cando 22 December 2013 12:17am

gottago posted:

Here is one from someone who is mostly anti reality, so many media students have to make a short film, ( 5 -10 minutes), for final projects, I think a series on BBC3 showing students short films with the audience voting for the best of the night where the winning film maker be given a chance to work on a project with experienced proffessionals. Give the chance to some new talent.

No one would watch that and the films will likely be of a low quality anyway.

Merry Christmas!

I think if you watch some of these films you would be surprised at the quality, or do you not believe in the future of young talent? If we in this country will not give these people a chance then where will the industry be in the next 10 -20 years?

I think you're delusional and Gottago's point had nothing to do with the quality of future talent. Nobody wants to watch cheap **** student films.

Last edited by Cando on 22 December 2013 12:22am

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Cando 22 December 2013 12:21am

Talking about The Fall and Peaky Blinders, both have excellent figures for BBC2, is no one at the top of BBC not prepared to show these on prime time, think how much more acclaimed these would have been.

What is this even supposed to mean? They both aired in primetime to huge acclaim and The Fall beat both BBC1 and ITV in the ratings

So what is your problem?

JO

Jon 22 December 2013 12:36am

If we in this country will not give these people a chance then where will the industry be in the next 10 -20 years

Did they have a slot on BBC Three 10 to 20 years ago, which all the current talented people working in TV's student films featured? If not how did they get into the position they are today?

If anything it's much easier for young film makers to make stuff these days and get it seen if it's good.

How about it is cheaper and money to be made from phone voting.

How much does an episode of Strictly or The Apprentice cost out of interest? Also just because it's cheaper to make doesn't mean it's not worthy.

A quality drama will make money with oversea sales,

As will homegrown reality formats like Strictly.

above and below the line.

What does that mean?

Last edited by Jon on 22 December 2013 12:48am