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IS
Inspector Sands
dvboy posted:
The Moyles Podcast was probably used as cheap filler more than anything.

No, I remember it being mentioned on air that was the reason. It was on at an odd time, replacing 40 or so minutes of a longer live show
CR
Critique
dvboy posted:
The Moyles Podcast was probably used as cheap filler more than anything.

No, I remember it being mentioned on air that was the reason. It was on at an odd time, replacing 40 or so minutes of a longer live show


Just checking the programmes website, and it looks like they used to do 30 minutes of the podcast Friday mornings at 4am. I don't know if the schedule slots were the same back then, but these days that would take 30 minutes out of the Early Breakfast show.
UK
UKnews
dvboy posted:
Yes there is a limited amount of time they can use their own cameras. They once had to ask special permission to break away from world feed pictures during a particularly long red flagged race, as they were getting frustrated with talking over pictures of rain and puddles, and wanted to run recorded items so the presenters could take a break.

The limit is (or at least was) very strict- something like 30 seconds to a minute during the race. Picture in picture (for instance an interview with a driver that has retired from the race) wasn't allowed either, although some countries were allowed to do that for adverts during the race.

In that instance (Canada 2011) the BBC had to ask permission twice - once to cut away from the world feed during an extended red flag period caused by weather which ended up lasting almost two hours and again to move the race to BBC 2 at 9pm so that a two part drama (scheduled for Sunday and Monday night I think) could go out as planned.
UK
UKnews

Just checking the programmes website, and it looks like they used to do 30 minutes of the podcast Friday mornings at 4am. I don't know if the schedule slots were the same back then, but these days that would take 30 minutes out of the Early Breakfast show.

'Up All Night' on 5 Live would (think they may still) have to play out the 'Chequered Flag' F1 podcast about 4am the day after a race in order for it to be allowed to exist.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Not quite the same, but it's said that The Big Breakfast survived for longer than it probably should have because the contract between Channel 4 and Planet 24 had so many clauses that would drag the process out for an unbearable amount of time, so it was easier to renew and attempt to revamp.

One such clause was that C4 would have to give a whole year's notice to cancel the programme, but it wasn't limited to that.
JB
JasonB
Would Lorraine Kelly's show come under this category?
Last edited by JasonB on 15 February 2016 10:53am
IN
Interceptor
Not quite the same, but it's said that The Big Breakfast survived for longer than it probably should have because the contract between Channel 4 and Planet 24 had so many clauses that would drag the process out for an unbearable amount of time, so it was easier to renew and attempt to revamp.

One such clause was that C4 would have to give a whole year's notice to cancel the programme, but it wasn't limited to that.

Same with Brookside. Although in the case of Brookside, C4 had months before agreed to a major relaunch of the programme (co-inciding with the siege/helicopter crash) and a new fixed schedule (after years of being shunted all over the place), which lead to the bizarre situation of Phil Redmond being summoned to Channel 4, having the bad news broken to him and then on his way back to Liverpool seeing huge double billboards being put up announcing the revamp.


The supposedly 'fixed schedule' lasted all of 3 weeks before Channel 4 axed the weekday editions, and initially brought back the Saturday omnibus, which itself was shunted around the cricket, thrown over to Thursday late night as a one-off, then back to Saturday mid-afternoons, before finally residing close to midnight on Thursdays.
DO
dosxuk
IIRC the podcast thing was to do with music rights. The BBC were allowed to do a limited amount of podcasts containing licensed music if it was from a radio broadcast, but they couldn't play any if it hadn't. So sports podcasts were fine as they didn't have commercial music, but radio one shows had to be broadcast.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
The Moyles podcast never contained commercial music. It was a BBC Trust thing while podcasts were a trial service.
IS
Inspector Sands
Yes, as I said originally it was because of a limit on content that previously hadn't been broadcast. Most of their podcasts had an intro from the host, but Moyle's had a certain amount of extra content that only appeared on the podcast.

Nowadays of course the BBC do online-only content that never has a broadcast so it's differnet now
IS
Inspector Sands
Would Lorraine Kelly's show come under this category?

Why would it?
MA
madmusician
Similar in a way to the Moyles podcast example above, the Test Match Special podcast is now usually broadcast as the end of the normal programme. That's because the podcast has to be signed off by the producer if it is recorded separately (Jonathan Agnew discusses this in his autobiography as a ramification of the Ross-Brand incident - previously Agnew could just record it and upload it himself, but talent were banned from doing this following October 2008). The way that they get around this is to have the 'round up' as part of the broadcast itself, and that way it can go online immediately.

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