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AlexS Central (East) Midlands Today
The almost total condemnation across fan groups and the press of this move has I believe hit the clubs hard, I seriously think there'll be a reconsider if not of the move to PPV but the price charged.

Issues of stream piracy and illegal groups meeting in homes to watch being raised as well.

This isn't quite 'done and dusted' yet.


The almost total condemnation across fan groups and the press of this move has I believe hit the clubs hard, I seriously think there'll be a reconsider if not of the move to PPV but the price charged.

Issues of stream piracy and illegal groups meeting in homes to watch being raised as well.

This isn't quite 'done and dusted' yet.

The cynic in me wonders if they've announced high price to make a later announcement of around a tenner look more reasonable, although all reports seem to suggest the PL clubs thought fans would welcome this with open arms and are completely shocked by the backlash.

I think the PL have been oblivious to how different their relationship is to fans compared to the lower leagues and how much more willing fans are to dig in their pocket for teams relying on matchday income compared to those who get the bulk from TV rights.


Obviously it is all a bit of a back of a fag packet calculation considering the market is somewhat untested but the feeling is money earned from this would be negligible compared to the other earnings from broadcast rights - possibly around £100m across a league where a £0.1billion difference in broadcast rights would barely be noticed.

But the premier league must realise that they have a responsibility to those clubs (and not just in football but sport more generally) who rely on match day income and that reducing the price would cause issues for such clubs. Clubs elsewhere need to be able to charge a reasonable amount for PPV coverage in order to survive and the premier league reducing the price would largely make this impossible.
BR
Brekkie Wales Wales Today
That is true - guess ironically offering PL games for free (as part of existing subscriptions) nobody really thinks about what the EFL teams are charging, but as soon as the PL undercut them with a PPV problem you are right in saying it could be a problem, but I think there is still a different relationship there with fans due to the money the teams are spending.

For what it's worth I've always felt the iFollow service was overpriced for what was a very basic production in normal times. In current times around a tenner feels right though.
Be nicer and more tolerant to each other. Them's the rules.
BF
BFGArmy Channel Channel Islands
AlexS posted:
The almost total condemnation across fan groups and the press of this move has I believe hit the clubs hard, I seriously think there'll be a reconsider if not of the move to PPV but the price charged.

Issues of stream piracy and illegal groups meeting in homes to watch being raised as well.

This isn't quite 'done and dusted' yet.


The almost total condemnation across fan groups and the press of this move has I believe hit the clubs hard, I seriously think there'll be a reconsider if not of the move to PPV but the price charged.

Issues of stream piracy and illegal groups meeting in homes to watch being raised as well.

This isn't quite 'done and dusted' yet.

The cynic in me wonders if they've announced high price to make a later announcement of around a tenner look more reasonable, although all reports seem to suggest the PL clubs thought fans would welcome this with open arms and are completely shocked by the backlash.

I think the PL have been oblivious to how different their relationship is to fans compared to the lower leagues and how much more willing fans are to dig in their pocket for teams relying on matchday income compared to those who get the bulk from TV rights.


Obviously it is all a bit of a back of a fag packet calculation considering the market is somewhat untested but the feeling is money earned from this would be negligible compared to the other earnings from broadcast rights - possibly around £100m across a league where a £0.1billion difference in broadcast rights would barely be noticed.

But the premier league must realise that they have a responsibility to those clubs (and not just in football but sport more generally) who rely on match day income and that reducing the price would cause issues for such clubs. Clubs elsewhere need to be able to charge a reasonable amount for PPV coverage in order to survive and the premier league reducing the price would largely make this impossible.


Though the PL broadcast rights are worth so much that clubs at the top level aren't reliant on matchday revenue these days.
Whereas lower down the football pyramid fans would have more sympathy - as there matchday income makes up a much larger proportion of total revenue
TI
TIGHazard Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
As I predicted

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/10/premier-league-urged-scrap-ppv-planas-fans-piling-pubs-could/

Only part of the article quoted

Quote:


Premier League urged to scrap its PPV plan as fans piling into pubs could cause coronavirus spike

Pubs and clubs would be exempt from the £14.95 fee for games not previously selected by broadcasters for October and the start of November.

The Premier League is under pressure to scrap its £15-a-game pay-per-view plan amid warnings it could compound the spike in coronavirus cases by driving fans into pubs.

The revolt against the decision to charge supporters to watch matches it had previously given away intensified on Saturday after it emerged pubs and clubs would be exempt from the £14.95 fee for games not previously selected by Sky Sports and BT Sport for the rest of this month and start of next.

The combination of what has been branded an excessive charge for those who ordinarily would stay at home to watch matches with the on-going giveaway to pubs and clubs was criticised by a leading public health expert and a member of Parliament’s digital, culture, media and sport select committee.

Prof Gabriel Scally, a key member of the Independent Sage group which holds the Government’s scientific advisory group to account, told Telegraph Sport: “It would be a very bad substitute to have fans gathering indoors.

“It does certainly appear to be a situation that would encourage fans to put themselves potentially at risk. We do know that a significant proportion of transmission is associated with the hospitality industry and pubs in particular.”

Steve Brine, the Conservative MP and member of the select committee, said: “These are the worst of times and the Premier League has done much to lift spirits but this is not their finest hour. It will encourage people to gather together and that’s just not the spirit of right now in my opinion.”

16 days later

DV
DVB Cornwall West Country (West) Spotlight
Several Reports around this afternoon, seemingly the whole PPV situation is under review tomorrow, discussions seemingly over pricing according to Four Four Two, but the continuation of PPV and the reversion to Broadcast Partners divving up the 'extra' games also being considered. I'm surprised that the PL hasn't considered a couple of quick 10 matchday contract offers that Sky, BT and AZPV could compete for, to cover these games.
DV
DVB Cornwall West Country (West) Spotlight
Mail reporting viewing figures ....



BR
Brekkie Wales Wales Today
So making about £600k a match (minus costs) which is not to be sniffed at I suppose. I think any review would only likely end up lowering the price.
Be nicer and more tolerant to each other. Them's the rules.
RR
RR
So making about £600k a match (minus costs) which is not to be sniffed at I suppose. I think any review would only likely end up lowering the price.

Don't forget VAT is at 20%, and included in the £14.95. However, I agree with your sentiments - given the loss in attendance revenue most clubs will be reluctant to reduce other revenues, and also that assuming the games are on TV, handing them out for free to the existing TV contract holders reduces the value of the existing contracts.
BC
Blake Connolly Founding member London London
If there's any doubt about how the broadcasters feel, Sky Sports News (which of course has never been shy about not mentioning anything that might be unfavourable to Sky) has been reporting on the unpopularity of the PPV games and stressing that the broadcasters have only been covering costs. There was also a discussion about it on Monday Night Football last night, again with nothing positive to say about it.

It does seem, though, that it'll probably continue for the first weekend of November so that the decision can be delayed until the international break, much like what happened when PPV was introduced.
DV
DVB Cornwall West Country (West) Spotlight
Outcome of today's talks



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A former member
So an average of 48,000 buys per game. (Assuming the broadcaster’s 20% is already taken from the £5.2m figure).

Premier League doing Packed Lunch figures.
MI
Michael
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