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All matches televised until end Feb 2021

TM
TMD_24 Anglia (East) Look East
The clubs have been taking a hit as a gesture of goodwill for 4 months. I don't know how sustainable it is to run a multi-million pound business when your income is in the toilet. Every train company in the UK is currently being bailed out by the government for example because people aren't travelling at the moment. And remember, as short a time as a few weeks ago, there were plans for folks to be back inside stadiums by now so perhaps they were banking on that to help ameliorate the situation. That's obviously off the table for now.

As for larger gatherings at friends' houses - well that's down to individual responsibility which Boris has placed so much misguided faith in. If folk want to perpetuate this virus crisis they can, but every time they break the rules, normality runs back over the horizon for another month.

This is the best of both worlds - the games are still on the TV but the clubs can get some income to pay the superstar footballers the public obviously love watching so much that they're not willing to pay for the pleasure.

In an ideal world... yes, that person would be able to afford it.

But don't forget many people have lost their jobs due to COVID (for example Cineworld staff) or are now on reduced pay. Those are the people who may not be able to justify it.


Other folks have lost jobs in other times. They had to make sacrifices, or budget for their needs and wants accordingly. That's a weak argument. A football match is not an essential, and *watching* a football match live is certainly not an essential if it can be listened to or highlights made available for free.

If folk are impoverishing themselves for the sake of a £15 football match, they have other, bigger issues to solve first.


But the clubs have been able to splash out their usual millions of pounds just to buy a bunch of players kicking some balls. If they really were that broke then they shouldn't have spent so much money.
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MI
Michael
The clubs' finances are what they are. The money they're spending at the moment hasn't been earned in the past 6 months. The money they will have to spend in January and next summer is not being earned at the moment.

As for TV not replacing a matchday experience, well there *is* no matchday experience available at the moment. This allows folks who would have attended the match the chance to see the important thing - the football match - without having to pay for anything that is involved in getting to and augmenting the experience of the football match. It's interesting to see that folk value the matchday experience - which from experience involves dirty toilets, overpriced food and drink, and being not 2 rows away from racist/provocative chanting - so much more than they value the actual game on the pitch.
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AlexS Central (East) Midlands Today
As someone who couldn't care much less about football but does care about other sports that are having to rely on a PPV model it is a relief that they are charging a fair amount which allows teams in other sports the opportunity to make a meaningful amount of money from PPV revenue while still undercutting the amount charged by the premier league (which is essential in getting people to pay). The problem with the majority of football fans in the current climate is that they are happy to treat their club the same as any other business no matter the impact this has on their viability while expecting clubs to reward them for their perceived loyalty. At the start of lockdown while football fans were calling on clubs to give immediate refunds on last years season tickets those of us interested in other sports had already written that money off in order to protect our clubs and were more concerned about our clubs remaining financially viable.
RR
RR
That's one of the big issues - those who would have been going (such as season ticket holders who were led to believe they could start toattend in person again around now) have already paid their season ticket fees but rather than being say given a code to be able to access the game for free they now need to pay again for a match they'd already paid for.

Which clubs have charged for the season ticket - and if so are they really not going to refund for games with no supporters?
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Michael
RR posted:
Which clubs have charged for the season ticket - and if so are they really not going to refund for games with no supporters?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54019867
RR
RR
So based on that it seems to be Burnley, Everton, Southampton, and West Ham who have charged for the season, and three out of those four will refund pro-rata fans (with Burnley yet to confirm at that date).

£15 is somewhat less that a ticket to the game - and assuming Burnley follow everyone else, no one will be paying both that and au unusable ticket to the ground.
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Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Has anything been said about the production values on these PPV games? I'm guessing it won't be much more than the world feed and an off tube Sky commentator rather than full studio presentation if there are multiple games at the same time?
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DV
DVB Cornwall West Country (West) Spotlight
The almost total condemnation across fan groups and the press of this move has I believe hit the clubs hard, I seriously think there'll be a reconsider if not of the move to PPV but the price charged.

Issues of stream piracy and illegal groups meeting in homes to watch being raised as well.

This isn't quite 'done and dusted' yet.
GE
thegeek Founding member London London
Has anything been said about the production values on these PPV games? I'm guessing it won't be much more than the world feed and an off tube Sky commentator rather than full studio presentation if there are multiple games at the same time?

Have any of the UK broadcasters ever done off-tube for a Premier League match?
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Blake Connolly Founding member London London
Has anything been said about the production values on these PPV games? I'm guessing it won't be much more than the world feed and an off tube Sky commentator rather than full studio presentation if there are multiple games at the same time?


Probably worth mentioning that none of the PPV games are on at the same time, they all have unique slots (quite difficult for either Sky or BT to do multiple Box Office events at the same time as well).

The question of presentation is interesting, though, having paid that much I'm guessing viewers would expect a bit more than what has been done for some of the additional games over the last few weeks.
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
The almost total condemnation across fan groups and the press of this move has I believe hit the clubs hard, I seriously think there'll be a reconsider if not of the move to PPV but the price charged.

Issues of stream piracy and illegal groups meeting in homes to watch being raised as well.

This isn't quite 'done and dusted' yet.

The cynic in me wonders if they've announced high price to make a later announcement of around a tenner look more reasonable, although all reports seem to suggest the PL clubs thought fans would welcome this with open arms and are completely shocked by the backlash.

I think the PL have been oblivious to how different their relationship is to fans compared to the lower leagues and how much more willing fans are to dig in their pocket for teams relying on matchday income compared to those who get the bulk from TV rights.


Obviously it is all a bit of a back of a fag packet calculation considering the market is somewhat untested but the feeling is money earned from this would be negligible compared to the other earnings from broadcast rights - possibly around £100m across a league where a £0.1billion difference in broadcast rights would barely be noticed.
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plymouthbloke1974 West Country (West) Spotlight
As suspected BT and Sky won't profit from them - they're just providing the platform for the clubs to pocket the money, but seemingly copping the flack for it too and may lose some subscriptions as a result (because everyone who threatens to boycott things on Twitter absolutely follows through!)


I seriously doubt Sky/BT are doing this without a profit margin... it’s not in their nature. Especially with BT in a precarious financial position. They will take their cut from this....

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