« Topics
123456
Brekkie31,391 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
Why couldn't Challenge just splice in the titles from a later season of Play Your Cards Right? The show never changed it's logo, they just updated the titles to remove the sponsorship.

Those titles had an obvious point to cut though, and unlike others the sponsor wasn't on the endboard as well. I think the break stings were a bit more complicated, but easy enough to edit in a non-sponsor version.

I suspect to it isn't completely down to Challenge how they're re-edited - you'd assume the supplier would be supplying them without the sponsorship inclusion.
I preferred the internet when it had a sense of humour.
james-20014,838 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
I suspect to it isn't completely down to Challenge how they're re-edited - you'd assume the supplier would be supplying them without the sponsorship inclusion.


Possibly, but possibly not? We don't know what's on the tapes Challenge recieve. Same for the viewer competitions on various shows like Catchphrase, I know they've been left in on at least one occasion (though it does look like Family Fortunes recorded different links without the viewer competition for repeats).
Neil Jones5,245 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
I suspect to it isn't completely down to Challenge how they're re-edited - you'd assume the supplier would be supplying them without the sponsorship inclusion.


Possibly, but possibly not? We don't know what's on the tapes Challenge recieve. Same for the viewer competitions on various shows like Catchphrase, I know they've been left in on at least one occasion (though it does look like Family Fortunes recorded different links without the viewer competition for repeats).


Its plausible there's only the one copy so if it has contestant appeals and viewer competitions burnt in, that's it. Family Fortunes put contestant appeals during the credits in some series and all Challenge could do was put a strap up saying the appeal was now closed as they have no way of getting rid of it completely.

Its similar for the post 2001 ITV shows and the generic "credits on the side" with the smoky hearts thing. These don't only turn up on Challenge but also on ITV3 as well when they repeat Where The Heart Is and Heartbeat from 2001/2002 and other stuff. That implies what they're using is the only copy available so its presumably the same for stuff that has viewer appeals/compos burnt in.
james-20014,838 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
There were definitely 2 version of the late 90s/early 00s Family Fortunes, as the return from the break had Les recapping the comptition question on the original airing, whereas on the versions Challenge showed the second part begin with him leaning on the car saying "welcome back, let's play double money" and walking across to the podium.

You're right that the contestant appeals popped up over the end credits regardless though.

I wonder if it was a case of the alternate links being tacked on to the end of the tape to be spliced in, like gets routinely done with textless elements and likewise, but they didn't put alternate appeal free credits there as well?
Last edited by james-2001 on 23 May 2019 2:44pm
Neil Jones5,245 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Suppose it depended on the programme, Crossroads 2001 used the ITV Hearts credits for its ITV/ITV1 airings but used a standard roller on the ITV2 repeats and omnibus (that being said, that entire look and policy only ever seemed to apply to the main channel and the sister channels could do what the hell they liked).

Course might be a case of what ITV had to offer and it's probably far easier to supply as "as broadcast on ITV" version (or as close as) as opposed to hunting one out that is clean and ready for international broadcasts (which I dare say they make more money from than the domestic channels).
Si-Co2,122 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Suppose it depended on the programme, Crossroads 2001 used the ITV Hearts credits for its ITV/ITV1 airings but used a standard roller on the ITV2 repeats and omnibus (that being said, that entire look and policy only ever seemed to apply to the main channel and the sister channels could do what the hell they liked).

Course might be a case of what ITV had to offer and it's probably far easier to supply as "as broadcast on ITV" version (or as close as) as opposed to hunting one out that is clean and ready for international broadcasts (which I dare say they make more money from than the domestic channels).


I wasn’t aware two versions of those Crossroads episodes had been produced - presumably because the episodes were scheduled for an ITV2 encore from the outset.

Was Coronation Street also repeated on ITV2 in that era? I ask because I’m not aware of any alternative edits without heart-style end credits.
Cut out the coupon in your TV Times!
Neil Jones5,245 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Suppose it depended on the programme, Crossroads 2001 used the ITV Hearts credits for its ITV/ITV1 airings but used a standard roller on the ITV2 repeats and omnibus


I wasn’t aware two versions of those Crossroads episodes had been produced - presumably because the episodes were scheduled for an ITV2 encore from the outset.


Sorry that was my fault entirely, ITV2 definitely had the omnibus (it went out on a Sunday morning IIRC) but now I'm not sure if they had individual episode repeats (the exception was the episode due for September 11th which was only ever aired on ITV2).

Crossroads was aired on TVNZ as well (I never did find out what the credits were on that, presumably standard rollers?) so it may have been there was an alternative version.
1
Si-Co gave kudos
Si-Co2,122 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Suppose it depended on the programme, Crossroads 2001 used the ITV Hearts credits for its ITV/ITV1 airings but used a standard roller on the ITV2 repeats and omnibus


I wasn’t aware two versions of those Crossroads episodes had been produced - presumably because the episodes were scheduled for an ITV2 encore from the outset.


Sorry that was my fault entirely, ITV2 definitely had the omnibus (it went out on a Sunday morning IIRC) but now I'm not sure if they had individual episode repeats (the exception was the episode due for September 11th which was only ever aired on ITV2).

Crossroads was aired on TVNZ as well (I never did find out what the credits were on that, presumably standard rollers?) so it may have been there was an alternative version.


When 2002-2004 episodes of Coronation Street were shown on 7TWO down under they used the “hearts” credits (and the 7.30pm episodes without proper end credits just used a 2002 out of date hearts credit sequence until repeats stopped well after the “hearts” era of episodes). I know these days CBC in Canada has custom made half hour episodes with proper opening and closing sequences and no beginning-of-part stings so perhaps all exports now receive these, or relevant clean scenes and credits to edit in.
Cut out the coupon in your TV Times!
james-20014,838 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
I know these days CBC in Canada has custom made half hour episodes with proper opening and closing sequences and no beginning-of-part stings so perhaps all exports now receive these, or relevant clean scenes and credits to edit in.


It's the same on Hulu in the US (which has the previous 12 months worth of episodes) available.

That's likely always been the case. If anyone remembers the disruption caused to Corrie after the Derek Bird incident in Cumbria where episodes got delayed, we had opening titles and end credits on a couple of episodes that wouldn't have had them if they'd been shown where they were meant to.

Again though, the episodes on the Network DVDs keep them as originally broadcast, with generic credits and "continues in half an hour" captions.

Reminds me a few years ago on the Virgin Media catchup service, one episode went out with the "clean" textless versions of the titles, credits, break captions and opening scene after the end of the episode for a few hours, before they took it off.
Last edited by james-2001 on 23 May 2019 8:22pm
1
Si-Co gave kudos