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Poor prints of feature films being used.

SoM - 26-May-2008. (May 2008)

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DV
DVB Cornwall
I've noticed that today's Sound of Music print is poor to say the least. I've put my DVD on to compare and the print on that is significantly better.

The BBC ONE video has been juddering Horizontally, unlike the print used on the DVD release.

Are broadcast prints checked these days before transmission or not?
WI
Wicko
I personally didn't think the quality of the film was that bad. However, I appreciate what you are saying. Hasn't the Digitally Remastered version been released in the cinemas recently? That would mean that it would have to be purchased by a broadcaster and screened as a Premiere in the same way as ET was a few years back.
:-(
A former member
DVB Cornwall posted:
I've noticed that today's Sound of Music print is poor ... the BBC ONE video has been juddering Horizontally

Glad to note it wasn't my set top box, then.
DC
Des Cartes
Noticed this too. Also, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade was in 4:3 on BBC One last week as I recall, obviously an older print at work there too.
PE
Pete Founding member
Des Cartes posted:
Noticed this too. Also, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade was in 4:3 on BBC One last week as I recall, obviously an older print at work there too.


now that's odd because it was in HD and I'm sure it was in widescreen when I watched on virgin :S
PC
Philip Cobbold
Hymagumba posted:
Des Cartes posted:
Noticed this too. Also, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade was in 4:3 on BBC One last week as I recall, obviously an older print at work there too.


now that's odd because it was in HD and I'm sure it was in widescreen when I watched on virgin :S

It was definately in 4:3 on Virgin for me.
NG
noggin Founding member
Hymagumba posted:
Des Cartes posted:
Noticed this too. Also, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade was in 4:3 on BBC One last week as I recall, obviously an older print at work there too.


now that's odd because it was in HD and I'm sure it was in widescreen when I watched on virgin :S


ISTR that two of the three Indiana Jones trilogy were 16:9 and HD on BBC HD (Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade), but one was SD only (Temple of Doom).
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Yes Temple of Doom went out in 16:9 as the aspect ratio went a bit odd in the final few seconds (on my set at least) at the point where the picture plunged into deep letterbox for the end credits.

The last one was 4:3.

EDIT: My recollection seems to contradict yours noggin.
NG
noggin Founding member
DVB Cornwall posted:
I've noticed that today's Sound of Music print is poor to say the least. I've put my DVD on to compare and the print on that is significantly better.

The BBC ONE video has been juddering Horizontally, unlike the print used on the DVD release.

Are broadcast prints checked these days before transmission or not?


These days it is relatively unusualy for broadcasters to get physical prints and do the transfers themselves. It is far more common for the broadcaster to be given a tape copy by the studio/distributor - and often there isn't much you can do if this is a rubbish copy.

Certainly no movie is now telecined live for transmission - only a VT or server copy will be played out. The telecine will have been done off-line - and often not by the broadcaster. Studios/distributors - even directors and DoPs - now like to be responsible for the film to video telecine process - as it allows them to ensure the grade (i.e. colour balance) of the transfer is as they would wish.
NG
noggin Founding member
Gavin Scott posted:
Yes Temple of Doom went out in 16:9 as the aspect ratio went a bit odd in the final few seconds (on my set at least) at the point where the picture plunged into deep letterbox for the end credits.

The last one was 4:3.

EDIT: My recollection seems to contradict yours noggin.


Just checked the BBC HD schedules and the two films I mention were broadcast on BBC HD. Raiders of the Lost Ark TXed on BBC HD at 2005 on 4th May, and Last Crusade at 2000 on 18th May.

All three TXed on BBC Three in 16:9 in March on the 16th, 23rd and 30th. All appear to have been 16:9 - I earlier thought that the SD only TX had been 4:3.

Of course the SD broadcast could have had a wrong aspect ratio flag on first TX. 4:3 and 16:9 full-screen transfers can often have squashed titles sequences if the captions in them would otherwise be cropped.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
noggin posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
I've noticed that today's Sound of Music print is poor to say the least. I've put my DVD on to compare and the print on that is significantly better.

The BBC ONE video has been juddering Horizontally, unlike the print used on the DVD release.

Are broadcast prints checked these days before transmission or not?


These days it is relatively unusualy for broadcasters to get physical prints and do the transfers themselves. It is far more common for the broadcaster to be given a tape copy by the studio/distributor - and often there isn't much you can do if this is a rubbish copy.

Certainly no movie is now telecined live for transmission - only a VT or server copy will be played out. The telecine will have been done off-line - and often not by the broadcaster. Studios/distributors - even directors and DoPs - now like to be responsible for the film to video telecine process - as it allows them to ensure the grade (i.e. colour balance) of the transfer is as they would wish.


We first got a video recorder in 1979, and one of the first movies we taped that Christmas was Sound of Music.

I remember my mother telling me we would have to pause the recording mid-way through while they, "changed the reels".

Not that they did, of course.

Happy memories!
:-(
A former member
Gavin Scott posted:
We first got a video recorder in 1979, and one of the first movies we taped that Christmas was Sound of Music.

I remember my mother telling me we would have to pause the recording mid-way through while they, "changed the reels".

Not that they did, of course.

Happy memories!


Now if you'd had a V2000, you could have turned the tape over... </geek>

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