DE
At least I think that was how it was. We're going back 20 years here. The 0A, 0B bit it right, the L signifying both lead and lag with +/- telling the system which one ... might be my memory playing tricks on me.
Anyway, my point was that calculating voiceover offsets in seconds is just another one of those things earlier automation systems did in a slightly odd way.
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Anyway, my point was that calculating voiceover offsets in seconds is just another one of those things earlier automation systems did in a slightly odd way.
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
SP
Going back some time now, but didn't some of the suites built to insert adverts into Channel 4 at the various ITV companies get reused after 1993 to provide other services?
MA
I think HTV's C4 suite at Culverhouse Cross was then used for Westcountry TV pres.
I'm told the S4C ad breaks that HTV sold, came into S4C Pres as remote sources (rather
than (as with C4) on the way to the transmitter(s) )
Going back some time now, but didn't some of the suites built to insert adverts into Channel 4 at the various ITV companies get reused after 1993 to provide other services?
I think HTV's C4 suite at Culverhouse Cross was then used for Westcountry TV pres.
I'm told the S4C ad breaks that HTV sold, came into S4C Pres as remote sources (rather
than (as with C4) on the way to the transmitter(s) )
BL
Just wanted to 'pop-in' and say that GMTV's Sony Beta cart when they first started was ex-LWT's.
At least I think that was how it was. We're going back 20 years here. The 0A, 0B bit it right, the L signifying both lead and lag with +/- telling the system which one ... might be my memory playing tricks on me.
Anyway, my point was that calculating voiceover offsets in seconds is just another one of those things earlier automation systems did in a slightly odd way.
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Anyway, my point was that calculating voiceover offsets in seconds is just another one of those things earlier automation systems did in a slightly odd way.
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Just wanted to 'pop-in' and say that GMTV's Sony Beta cart when they first started was ex-LWT's.
MA
Just wanted to 'pop-in' and say that GMTV's Sony Beta cart when they first started was ex-LWT's.
Oh, and didn't LNN sell their Betacart to Maidstone Studios ?
At least I think that was how it was. We're going back 20 years here. The 0A, 0B bit it right, the L signifying both lead and lag with +/- telling the system which one ... might be my memory playing tricks on me.
Anyway, my point was that calculating voiceover offsets in seconds is just another one of those things earlier automation systems did in a slightly odd way.
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Anyway, my point was that calculating voiceover offsets in seconds is just another one of those things earlier automation systems did in a slightly odd way.
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Just wanted to 'pop-in' and say that GMTV's Sony Beta cart when they first started was ex-LWT's.
Oh, and didn't LNN sell their Betacart to Maidstone Studios ?
BL
Just wanted to 'pop-in' and say that GMTV's Sony Beta cart when they first started was ex-LWT's.
Oh, and didn't LNN sell their Betacart to Maidstone Studios ?
LNN had one Betacart, it was fitted out with digital decks (SP-75D) and had to be brought new in 1992 as it was used in their new SDI studio. I"m trying to remember in my minds eye if it was still there when LNN left the building, I think it was, and of course it was their property to do with as they wished. I don't readily recall it being their during TLS's 'ownership' of St7 immediately after LNN.
So, you may very well be right and perhaps it was sold to the Maidstone studios.
At least I think that was how it was. We're going back 20 years here. The 0A, 0B bit it right, the L signifying both lead and lag with +/- telling the system which one ... might be my memory playing tricks on me.
Anyway, my point was that calculating voiceover offsets in seconds is just another one of those things earlier automation systems did in a slightly odd way.
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Anyway, my point was that calculating voiceover offsets in seconds is just another one of those things earlier automation systems did in a slightly odd way.
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Just wanted to 'pop-in' and say that GMTV's Sony Beta cart when they first started was ex-LWT's.
Oh, and didn't LNN sell their Betacart to Maidstone Studios ?
LNN had one Betacart, it was fitted out with digital decks (SP-75D) and had to be brought new in 1992 as it was used in their new SDI studio. I"m trying to remember in my minds eye if it was still there when LNN left the building, I think it was, and of course it was their property to do with as they wished. I don't readily recall it being their during TLS's 'ownership' of St7 immediately after LNN.
So, you may very well be right and perhaps it was sold to the Maidstone studios.
MA
Just wanted to 'pop-in' and say that GMTV's Sony Beta cart when they first started was ex-LWT's.
Oh, and didn't LNN sell their Betacart to Maidstone Studios ?
LNN had one Betacart, it was fitted out with digital decks (SP-75D) and had to be brought new in 1992 as it was used in their new SDI studio. I"m trying to remember in my minds eye if it was still there when LNN left the building, I think it was, and of course it was their property to do with as they wished. I don't readily recall it being their during TLS's 'ownership' of St7 immediately after LNN.
So, you may very well be right and perhaps it was sold to the Maidstone studios.
I was involved in putting the news production server in, in 2001. They ran 'mirrored' with the Betacart
for a few months, then decommissioned it. So 2002 ish I think, before they left the building and London news went to GIR ?
Just wanted to 'pop-in' and say that GMTV's Sony Beta cart when they first started was ex-LWT's.
Oh, and didn't LNN sell their Betacart to Maidstone Studios ?
LNN had one Betacart, it was fitted out with digital decks (SP-75D) and had to be brought new in 1992 as it was used in their new SDI studio. I"m trying to remember in my minds eye if it was still there when LNN left the building, I think it was, and of course it was their property to do with as they wished. I don't readily recall it being their during TLS's 'ownership' of St7 immediately after LNN.
So, you may very well be right and perhaps it was sold to the Maidstone studios.
I was involved in putting the news production server in, in 2001. They ran 'mirrored' with the Betacart
for a few months, then decommissioned it. So 2002 ish I think, before they left the building and London news went to GIR ?
BL
I'm trying to get this straight in my mind (it was long time ago!). Are you saying that LNN replaced their Basys system with something else? iNews for example? - is that what you were involved in?
I am vague because I used to take an interest in LNN but trying to stop the engineers from making undocumented alterations to the installation made our job very difficult. Not even back of a fag packet, nothing. In the end you just give up and do the minimum to try and help out.
Edit: I am surprised wiki says LNN news left the building in 2004, I thought it was gone long before then.
I am vague because I used to take an interest in LNN but trying to stop the engineers from making undocumented alterations to the installation made our job very difficult. Not even back of a fag packet, nothing. In the end you just give up and do the minimum to try and help out.
Edit: I am surprised wiki says LNN news left the building in 2004, I thought it was gone long before then.
MA
They were still using Basys, but a Sony NewsBase editing and playout system. It was an early system. The first one was installed in 1997 at ITN for C5 News, then at BBC Millbank in 98 for a one year trial. We took that out in 99, and moved it to TV2 in Arhus (Denmark) where I think they used it for over ten years. Also used in Italy for RAI News 24. Telemadrid was the largest installation I think.
https://www.sony.co.uk/pro/attachment/1237489883124?token=o-TT3SlDjg7F-ifVPGDhvTKkDI7apiSE0gfR3nJKZqxV8vpXW8HWdg09vCfTAhiLZbhePgu1JKlSNUMhdTnUIY6Ogc8hR3Xttki0kPMWJTn5DmlrZ-Dg8sVr9B_YhO97F48zrg..
I'm trying to get this straight in my mind (it was long time ago!). Are you saying that LNN replaced their Basys system with something else? iNews for example? - is that what you were involved in?
They were still using Basys, but a Sony NewsBase editing and playout system. It was an early system. The first one was installed in 1997 at ITN for C5 News, then at BBC Millbank in 98 for a one year trial. We took that out in 99, and moved it to TV2 in Arhus (Denmark) where I think they used it for over ten years. Also used in Italy for RAI News 24. Telemadrid was the largest installation I think.
https://www.sony.co.uk/pro/attachment/1237489883124?token=o-TT3SlDjg7F-ifVPGDhvTKkDI7apiSE0gfR3nJKZqxV8vpXW8HWdg09vCfTAhiLZbhePgu1JKlSNUMhdTnUIY6Ogc8hR3Xttki0kPMWJTn5DmlrZ-Dg8sVr9B_YhO97F48zrg..
GE
Idents and ad bumpers are video files. Menus, ECP, pointers & warning slides can be automated through a broadcast graphics system such as Clarity, (i.e. it takes programme and timing information from a broadcast database system, such as IBMS) or created manually (as a 'job' or literally going into the After Effects design template and rendering as a video file format).
Typically, these are scheduled in advance by a Media Scheduler, who constructs a daily TX schedule using templates (playlist) which conforms with various legal requirements (warning slides, promo & ad break minutages etc..), adverts, continuity (including triggering on-screen bugs and IPPs), pre-recorded continuity voiceovers, they also communicate with the playout provider to ensure avoiding discrepancies with timings etc.
Looks similar to this:
http://www.ibeconnects.com/images/altImages/ArticleImages/SizedForCarousel/Web%20Pilat%20transmission%20schedule.jpg
If there are any discrepancies on that TX day, it would need to be fixed by the scheduler and re-sent to the TX provider. Might be slightly different for a more reactive channel, but thats sort of the basics.
It looks more like a playlist to me.
That's basically what it is! Things get a bit more complicated around live programmes - you need contingencies in case things run over or under, or you lose the line. If it's a commercial channel, you need to keep a close eye on advertising minutages (no more than 12 mins per clock hour, but in some cases you can average out your minutes over peak time, so might want to save longer breaks for
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Ericsson still have a dozen or so Flexicarts in use for ingest, including some with HDCam decks in them. They're also buying up any that get decommissioned elsewhere for spares.
thegeek
Founding member
Are idents and other parts of continuity programmed into the playout system in advance, or fired manually.
A general query, not necessarily specific to STV.
A general query, not necessarily specific to STV.
Idents and ad bumpers are video files. Menus, ECP, pointers & warning slides can be automated through a broadcast graphics system such as Clarity, (i.e. it takes programme and timing information from a broadcast database system, such as IBMS) or created manually (as a 'job' or literally going into the After Effects design template and rendering as a video file format).
Typically, these are scheduled in advance by a Media Scheduler, who constructs a daily TX schedule using templates (playlist) which conforms with various legal requirements (warning slides, promo & ad break minutages etc..), adverts, continuity (including triggering on-screen bugs and IPPs), pre-recorded continuity voiceovers, they also communicate with the playout provider to ensure avoiding discrepancies with timings etc.
Looks similar to this:
http://www.ibeconnects.com/images/altImages/ArticleImages/SizedForCarousel/Web%20Pilat%20transmission%20schedule.jpg
If there are any discrepancies on that TX day, it would need to be fixed by the scheduler and re-sent to the TX provider. Might be slightly different for a more reactive channel, but thats sort of the basics.
It looks more like a playlist to me.
That's basically what it is! Things get a bit more complicated around live programmes - you need contingencies in case things run over or under, or you lose the line. If it's a commercial channel, you need to keep a close eye on advertising minutages (no more than 12 mins per clock hour, but in some cases you can average out your minutes over peak time, so might want to save longer breaks for
Going back to kit being reused, it's perfectly possible some kit is reused after a client has moved out, gone off air etc. Back in the days of tape playout, robotic arm programme transmission machines like Flexicarts, Odetics, MARC were extremely expensive so were often kept going.
Ericsson still have a dozen or so Flexicarts in use for ingest, including some with HDCam decks in them. They're also buying up any that get decommissioned elsewhere for spares.
IS
I think HTV's C4 suite at Culverhouse Cross was then used for Westcountry TV pres.
They did the HTV West ads for Ch4 at Culverhouse Cross?
Presumably the suite was either upgraded or refitted for Westcountry as the two operations were very different? Also of course they would have had to kick out the C4 operation a few months before it was discontinued
I think HTV's C4 suite at Culverhouse Cross was then used for Westcountry TV pres.
They did the HTV West ads for Ch4 at Culverhouse Cross?
Presumably the suite was either upgraded or refitted for Westcountry as the two operations were very different? Also of course they would have had to kick out the C4 operation a few months before it was discontinued