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Paul Daniels has died

(March 2016)

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JA
JAS84
1 vs 100's problem is that the adverts cancel out the space the lottery draws originally used. I bet all of the lottery gameshows have the same problem.
IN
Interceptor
They managed to hack together a 30 minute programme out of Winning Lines.
NB
nbafan89
It is curious how in that famous "BBC1's got a lot of fings on" Christmas 1993 promo Paul and Debbie are right in the thick of it as one of the main shows of BBC1 (along with Gen Game, House Party and Big Break). The very next year his magic show was canned. Obviously he carried on with Wipeout and Secrets but his star faded rapidly after 94.


A lot of BBC1 Saturday night staples ended in 1994, J*m'll Fix It and That's Life ended that year as well. A bit of a clearing of the decks. Of course, Paul did continue on the Beeb with Secrets which had a series in 1995 and was more based around close-up magic, but not on Saturdays, in the week. Probably too similar and too close to his previous series to really work.

That said, even at the time it felt like that Christmas 1993 promo was a bit out of date, the Gen Game was declining a bit and Big Break was always tolerated rather than loved by the Beeb. The really big shows of that Christmas - Only Fools, One Foot - weren't in it.

I do remember that Every Second Counts repeat run in 1998, baffled me at the time. I remember it was the 1992 series, and lots of the questions were really out of date. I always associate Every Second Counts and The Magic Show with my grandmothers' house, I never remember watching them at home.


actually the every second counts episode I remember watching from July 1998 was from 1993
PF
PFML84
Even for early 90's it looked incredibly early 80's.
BA
bilky asko
pad-e posted:
I hope that Challenge include Paul's vastly superior version of Wipeout (over Bob's terrible lunchtime CGI audience affair) and Every Second Counts back in to regular rotation. The only downside I would have with Challenge is that they seem to edit out Paul's interaction with the guests after each question or inbetween rounds and leave it as a strictly question and answer affair, taking away some of the charm. Instead of them editing it into a 30 mins slot, why not have 40 min slots so the shows can dgo out unedited.


I think the Monkhouse version was underrated. By him deciding to host it, he seemed to pre-empt the idea of the successful teatime formats more recently. The Paul Daniels version hasn't dated anywhere near as well I feel; I'd say both of them are good versions in their own right.
LL
Larry the Loafer
pad-e posted:
I hope that Challenge include Paul's vastly superior version of Wipeout (over Bob's terrible lunchtime CGI audience affair) and Every Second Counts back in to regular rotation. The only downside I would have with Challenge is that they seem to edit out Paul's interaction with the guests after each question or inbetween rounds and leave it as a strictly question and answer affair, taking away some of the charm. Instead of them editing it into a 30 mins slot, why not have 40 min slots so the shows can dgo out unedited.


I think the Monkhouse version was underrated. By him deciding to host it, he seemed to pre-empt the idea of the successful teatime formats more recently. The Paul Daniels version hasn't dated anywhere near as well I feel; I'd say both of them are good versions in their own right.


My problem with the Monkhouse version is he'd more or less tell you whether or not the answer was right or wrong before the computer did, eliminating any essence of suspense. Whereas Paul would say something like "I wonder if it's right, let's see... You're right," Bob would say something like, "Well I don't think this actor starred in that film, but let's see... Nope, they didn't."
BR
Brekkie
Looking back on both versions they're fine when you think of them separately, but when the Monkhouse daytime version followed the Daniels primetime version it really was a poorer product.
fanoftv, Si-Co and PFML84 gave kudos
PF
PFML84
Bob always had to talk before the answer was revealed, and you could 99% of the time tell if the answer was correct or not based on the drivel he came out with , and as stated, this ruined any element of suspense or tension.

A typical Paul interaction:-

Contestant - "I'll say London Bridge"
Paul - "London Bridge...." <pause for answer to be revealed>
Paul - "Yes, first published in the mid-18th century"

A typical Bob interaction:-

Contestant - I'll say "London Bridge"
Bob - "Ahh, London Bridge, that famous London landmark... One of many wonderful bridges in London, but tell me, were you the bridge named in a famous children's nursery rhyme written in or around the 18th century with many verses and variations around the world and many different interpretations and meanings? <pause for answer to be revealed>
Bob - "Yes, it was"
JO
Jon
I for one liked Bob's extra snippets of information.

Just like I'm the only person who seems to enjoy the contestants talking us through their answers on 12 Yard formats, I like to see if they're logic at arriving at an answer is the same as mine when it's an educated guess.
LL
Larry the Loafer
The snippets of information were fine, but typical gameshow tradition is to provide that after the answer has been confirmed.
PF
PFML84
Yes, even Paul gave us the info afterwards sometimes or pulled out funny props etc.

Bob was just coming across as some know-it-all who loved to hear the sound of his own voice.
HC
Hatton Cross
Jon posted:

Just like I'm the only person who seems to enjoy the contestants talking us through their answers on 12 Yard formats, I like to see if they're logic at arriving at an answer is the same as mine when it's an educated guess.


'Working out the answers aloud' in some cases are useful, but not for everyone answer, and then the viewer is left wondering how many more questions or rounds that could, with better editing, have been wrung out of the format.

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