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'Participation TV may be a gamble'

(August 2006)

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CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
Whilst this could go in the ITV Play as it covers quiz TV channels in general I think it';s worth its own thread....

From MediaGuardian: http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,1836759,00.html

Quote:
Participation TV may be a gamble

Mark Sweney
Friday August 4, 2006
MediaGuardian.co.uk

The Gambling Commission has opened a public consultation questioning the legality of many prize draws and competitions, a process that could threaten the business models of "participation TV" operations such as ITV's digital channel, ITV Play.

The consultation has been prompted by changes in UK gambling industry laws that will come into force late next year.

It will consider whether the simple questions used in various televised quizzes - that generate money from consumers calling premium-rate phone lines - are a form of gambling.

The consultation will look at whether the question formats used by Channel 4's Quiz Call, ITV Play and quizzes on shows such as This Morning and Richard and Judy require any skill or if, like a lottery, they are a game of chance.

If such games are classed as lotteries, they will have to be regulated and 20% of revenue must go to charitable causes.

Should ITV Play quizzes fall into the "chance" category, a reduction of one-fifth in revenues would severely damage both the bottom line and the long-term business model ITV has drawn up for developing significant revenues from non-advertising sources.

"The new laws have ambiguities and need testing so it is not clear if participation TV services are captured [under the regulations of the gambling act]," said Paul Whiteing, a director at ICSTIS, the regulatory body for all premium-rate charged telecommunications services.

"All of the participation TV services have come to us and all have taken extensive legal advice. Still, the situation is unclear and there may end up being test cases," he added.

Tom Kavanagh, deputy chief executive at the Gambling Commission, said: "Existing law is grey".

He added that TV quizzes fall into a category of "complex" lotteries.

There are four criteria for determining this, the most contentious being that the "first process" in playing any quiz - answering the question - is based wholly on chance.

However, TV quiz companies are likely to argue that they will fall under the category of free draws, not requiring a licence.

To do this, the quizzes will have to display a choice of routes to play - both paid and free. The free route, possibly through a website entry process, has to be as convenient as the premium-rate phone-in method and "publicised so it comes to the attention of all participants", said Mr Kavanagh.

"All participation TV seems to fit under the complex lottery scenario. The question is, whether they can save themselves by qualifying as a free draw," Mr Kavanagh added.

"Is online entry as easy as phone-in? [Broadcasters] argue that questions such as, 'Is the capital of England London or Timbuktu?' need skill. However, in the future, the new act will only deem a game as having a significant skill element if the question prevents a significant proportion of people who wish to participate from doing so," he said.

Again, making questions harder could well hit the bottom line of participation TV services.

ITV Play, which ITV claims could bring in revenues of up to £20m in its first year of operation, is just one example of a quiz-based channel format that the TV industry as a whole is keen to embrace to offset falling ad income.

Gerhard Zeiler, the chief executive of Channel Five's owner, RTL, has said the company aims ultimately to draw 25% of its revenue outside of selling airtime to advertisers through initiatives including quiz games.

In all, there are more than a dozen UK channels on satellite and cable that offer TV quiz formats.

The public consultation period will close at the end of October.

Should be interesting to see the results of the public consultation, as some of the quizs barely require any skill.
CO
Conan-san
If it kills Quiz TV for good, then it's all good as far as I care.
JA
james2001 Founding member
All the quiz channels will have been aware of this for a while. This is the reason for all the price rises, cutting back on hours and closures.
NU
NewsUpdate
Shows like The Mint and Quizmania are money grabbers and another example of ITV throwing the last of their advertising revenue away but if someone told you to walk off a cliff, would you?
Likewise if these shows tell you to call in, you do have the choice not to reach for the phone.
PT
Put The Telly On
I swear I saw Craig Philips (winner of BB1) hosting Quizcall earlier...crikey.

night all.
BR
Brekkie
This is an issue that's come up before!


Personally I think viewers would much rather just ring up a number and register for a comp, rather than answer a ridiculously easy question which insults their intelligence!
SA
Sascha
These shows are a gamble.

The Mint - Guessing 4 numbers to unlock the jackpot
The Lotto - Guessing 6 numbers to win the jackpot

The Mint is running an illegal lottery, where there's no strict age enforcement (there are lots of under 18's phoning in)

The sooner these vile channels with their vile presenters are closed down, the better. This is one of the reasons why I don't watch hardly any television anymore. There's just too much cr*p on it.

I prefer to watch YouTube - That's the future.
JA
james2001 Founding member
Has anyone else noticed The Great Big British Quiz is now starting at 4PM? Only a few months back, it was starting at 10AM, then it was 12PM. Quiz TV started by putting back their hours, hopefully this is the end of yet another con channel.
AS
Asa Admin
If you've got 76mb of bandwidth spare, download Austrlian show The Chaser from http://www.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/war/vodcast which features a nice bit on their country's recent influx of late night quiz TV - funny clips of awful questions, callers answering the wrong channel's question (sound familiar?!) and ages and ages before a call is taken - even during QM's speed round.

It's on for a couple of mins from 11mins 20secs in.
:-(
A former member
Two points:

1) Interesting to see and hear that QM in Aus is the same as in the UK

2) 17' into the recording and a trailer for 'Are You Being Shágged' ( http://idents.tv/blog/?p=279 )

17 days later

AN
Ant
New articles in some of the papers today. Questioning the legality of the quiz channels.

The Times article.
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
I imagine some channels / quiz programmes will just adapt rather than face being shut down. Making challenges seem a bit harder and less of the 'blatantly obvious'. Atleast for Channel 4 they have the advantage of QuizCall being more distanced than ITV is from ITV Play incase of being forced to shut down, or other similar bad press.

I noticed that Challenge have now started showing a quiz programme in the afternoon. Yet another channel opting to cash in whilst they can.

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