DA
DAS
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I don't personally see much of a problem with the scheduling. People will not tune into a two hour award ceremony for awards for makeup or the more obscure categories. The BBC is looking to maximise its audience without chopping half the categories from the screen. Surely it makes sense to lure viewers into the interesting bits on BBC ONE that Joe and Joella Public want to see, but also provide the less attention-grabbing categories on BBC TWO?
In addition, I'd say it's difficult to argue the BBC disrespect the BAFTAs when we have BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three, BBC News and BBC World News devoting a fair amount of airtime to it?
In addition, I'd say it's difficult to argue the BBC disrespect the BAFTAs when we have BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three, BBC News and BBC World News devoting a fair amount of airtime to it?
LI
And remember to look out for Ross' buzz word chosen by peeps on Twitter. Has to somehow get the word "salad" into the script without it being noticable 
:-(
A former member
newsnightly posted:
NBC would never split the Oscars in two.
Surely, though, they are unable to - being as they have no secondary national channel. If they had, they may well do so.
NG
There is usually an agreement that there is a short news access window (usually 24 hours) whereby some (usually limited minutes) of the show can be used by other broadcasters with a suitable on-screen courtesy caption.
The Oscars are VERY tight on the requirement to credit "AMPAS" - not NBC - when the material is used.
noggin
Founding member
Brekkie posted:
What's the deal with these (and the Oscars) in regard to other broadcasters using clips afterwards, as with the Oscars especially regardless of who holds the rights all news and breakfast programming the next day can use lengthy clips from the ceremony.
There is usually an agreement that there is a short news access window (usually 24 hours) whereby some (usually limited minutes) of the show can be used by other broadcasters with a suitable on-screen courtesy caption.
The Oscars are VERY tight on the requirement to credit "AMPAS" - not NBC - when the material is used.
SW
Well, of course, there used to be one ceremony with both TV and film which, as you say, alternated between the Beeb and ITV. They split them in 1998 and the TV awards continued to alternate, but last year, the Beeb showed them despite it being ITV's turn, so maybe ITV have abandoned them.
As for the film awards, I think ITV showed them in the first year of the split and the Beeb definitely showed them in 1999, because it was the first thing Jonathan Ross did when taking over Film 99. Then Sky nabbed them and showed them on Sky Movies with Jack Docherty who died on his arse. In 2001, they were still on Sky, on Sky One this time I think, but there were highlights the following day on the Beeb.
Clearly it was too expensive for the return for Sky as from 2002 it was back on the Beeb and they've shown it every year since, presumably ITV can't be bothered.
Brekkie posted:
Didn't coverage used to alternate biannually between the BBC and ITV?
Well, of course, there used to be one ceremony with both TV and film which, as you say, alternated between the Beeb and ITV. They split them in 1998 and the TV awards continued to alternate, but last year, the Beeb showed them despite it being ITV's turn, so maybe ITV have abandoned them.
As for the film awards, I think ITV showed them in the first year of the split and the Beeb definitely showed them in 1999, because it was the first thing Jonathan Ross did when taking over Film 99. Then Sky nabbed them and showed them on Sky Movies with Jack Docherty who died on his arse. In 2001, they were still on Sky, on Sky One this time I think, but there were highlights the following day on the Beeb.
Clearly it was too expensive for the return for Sky as from 2002 it was back on the Beeb and they've shown it every year since, presumably ITV can't be bothered.
NG
noggin
Founding member
Did anyone see the horrible edits towards the end?
They appeard to run both a short, followed by a long, tribute to Terry Gilliam - so I wonder if they had to hack a chunk of his speech out to come off-air on time still. Some VERY obvious edits - and at least one jump cut.
(Though not quite as bad as a few years ago where they showed the same person walking onto the stage twice at the edit point...)
It is difficult doing this kind of thing - where you're recording, editing and playing out in such a small window that you are still recording whilst editing and playing out. (i.e. you go on-air before the event has finished) and still have to keep things to time.
I notice that the "Let's have a look" packages were straight full-frame VTs (not run via a screen) which means that in the edit they could drop in longer or shorter versions to tweak the run-time (so show a different VT to the ones the audience in the Royal Opera House saw) Not saying they did for all - but it looked like they did for the tribute...
(Also a bit tedious that the same VTs were re-used on the BBC Three and BBC One shows)
They appeard to run both a short, followed by a long, tribute to Terry Gilliam - so I wonder if they had to hack a chunk of his speech out to come off-air on time still. Some VERY obvious edits - and at least one jump cut.
(Though not quite as bad as a few years ago where they showed the same person walking onto the stage twice at the edit point...)
It is difficult doing this kind of thing - where you're recording, editing and playing out in such a small window that you are still recording whilst editing and playing out. (i.e. you go on-air before the event has finished) and still have to keep things to time.
I notice that the "Let's have a look" packages were straight full-frame VTs (not run via a screen) which means that in the edit they could drop in longer or shorter versions to tweak the run-time (so show a different VT to the ones the audience in the Royal Opera House saw) Not saying they did for all - but it looked like they did for the tribute...
(Also a bit tedious that the same VTs were re-used on the BBC Three and BBC One shows)
DA
Unless I went completely nuts they appear to have run most of the Terry Gilliam VT twice. At the start of the piece there was a brief jump during the title part and the VT started again just as it was coming to an end. Maybe this additional 1 or 2 minutes took the programme out of its slot, thereby causing the editor to panic slightly over where that time could be found (and indeed where it had gone!) and resulting in hacking the speech to bits and being forced to run the credits over the end VTs?
EDIT: I've just realised that despite hitting the quote button I really haven't read noggin's post very well and pretty much repeated what he said - except that he was right in saying it was a short followed by long version rather than a straight repeat. I am tired. In any case watching the show from about 51:55 shows where it went wrong quite nicely.
DAS
Founding member
noggin posted:
Did anyone see the horrible edits towards the end?
They appeard to run both a short, followed by a long, tribute to Terry Gilliam - so I wonder if they had to hack a chunk of his speech out to come off-air on time still. Some VERY obvious edits - and at least one jump cut.
(Though not quite as bad as a few years ago where they showed the same person walking onto the stage twice at the edit point...)
It is difficult doing this kind of thing - where you're recording, editing and playing out in such a small window that you are still recording whilst editing and playing out. (i.e. you go on-air before the event has finished) and still have to keep things to time.
I notice that the "Let's have a look" packages were straight full-frame VTs (not run via a screen) which means that in the edit they could drop in longer or shorter versions to tweak the run-time (so show a different VT to the ones the audience in the Royal Opera House saw) Not saying they did for all - but it looked like they did for the tribute...
(Also a bit tedious that the same VTs were re-used on the BBC Three and BBC One shows)
They appeard to run both a short, followed by a long, tribute to Terry Gilliam - so I wonder if they had to hack a chunk of his speech out to come off-air on time still. Some VERY obvious edits - and at least one jump cut.
(Though not quite as bad as a few years ago where they showed the same person walking onto the stage twice at the edit point...)
It is difficult doing this kind of thing - where you're recording, editing and playing out in such a small window that you are still recording whilst editing and playing out. (i.e. you go on-air before the event has finished) and still have to keep things to time.
I notice that the "Let's have a look" packages were straight full-frame VTs (not run via a screen) which means that in the edit they could drop in longer or shorter versions to tweak the run-time (so show a different VT to the ones the audience in the Royal Opera House saw) Not saying they did for all - but it looked like they did for the tribute...
(Also a bit tedious that the same VTs were re-used on the BBC Three and BBC One shows)
Unless I went completely nuts they appear to have run most of the Terry Gilliam VT twice. At the start of the piece there was a brief jump during the title part and the VT started again just as it was coming to an end. Maybe this additional 1 or 2 minutes took the programme out of its slot, thereby causing the editor to panic slightly over where that time could be found (and indeed where it had gone!) and resulting in hacking the speech to bits and being forced to run the credits over the end VTs?
EDIT: I've just realised that despite hitting the quote button I really haven't read noggin's post very well and pretty much repeated what he said - except that he was right in saying it was a short followed by long version rather than a straight repeat. I am tired. In any case watching the show from about 51:55 shows where it went wrong quite nicely.