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The One Show Fire Alarm

(Split) BBC ONE Pres takes over (February 2011)

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MW
Mike W
Some areas have silent alarms - but they only stay silent for a relatively short period of time - and if the alarm isn't cancelled during that time then the sounders activate.

Some live studios have a 20-30" warning delay of lights flashing before the sounders kick in.

Some areas have a fire officer present who will talk directly to the security/fire control room in areas where the alarms are muted for production reasons.

All buildings are different - and some have much bigger fire control zones than others.


Doesn't the One Show also actually occupy converted office space rather than studio space. Fire alarms will be configured very differently in both - in the end though I would imagine all new buildings have to have audible and visual alarms - even if one was on a delay.


Indeed, it is directly above the output monitoring room.
LL
Larry the Loafer
Did Alex state that A Question of Sport was next even though it wasn't? Was that on fire too? Rolling Eyes
GE
thegeek Founding member
Indeed, it is directly above the output monitoring room.
the what?
IS
Inspector Sands
guess if it's a recording studio you don't want a fire alarm sounding so flashing lights would be apropriate there

In a 'recording studio' there would be less need for visual alarms as it'a a recording so they can just go back in after the fire alarm and start from scratch - a live TV or radio programme is very different.

It's quite a complicated issue though, you wouldn't want a system of lights only in a TV studio all the time, when there's no production going on and it's being set up for the next one than you'd want an alarm to go off.
IS
Inspector Sands
Some areas have silent alarms - but they only stay silent for a relatively short period of time - and if the alarm isn't cancelled during that time then the sounders activate.

Some live studios have a 20-30" warning delay of lights flashing before the sounders kick in.

Yes, everywhere is different depending on circumstances, I'd imagine that a studio with an audience would have a different type of alert so not to encourage panic.

Places like tube stations have a similar system whereby a smoke detector or similar will set off an alarm just in the control room*. This will be checked out by the staff first before any alarms are heard by the public to avoid panic. AIUI if the alarm is triggered by a human 'break glass' button then the alarm will go off straight away - the theory being that a human seeing a fire is more accurate than a detector.


*they normally also put out a coded message on the public address systems too... however I can't remember what that code is Wink
MW
Mike W
Indeed, it is directly above the output monitoring room.
the what?


I don't know the real name for the thing. It's a room, full of monitors of every BBC Region, Every BBC Channel and a very dirty floor.
LL
Lottie Long-Legs
So the screen went black for 0.6 seconds (or whatever it allegedly is/was).

How would you cope in a genuine emergency - and that's what it seemingly came across as?!

Most of the time, things go according to plan. Sometimes they don't, and sometimes a fire alarm goes off. Shall we make sure that what gets broadcast goes seamlessly, or shall we make sure that people are actually okay?

Strange pernickety things to consider... but think how you'd deal with it at your workplace.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
*they normally also put out a coded message on the public address systems too... however I can't remember what that code is Wink


Wink
SP
Steve in Pudsey
So the screen went black for 0.6 seconds (or whatever it allegedly is/was).

How would you cope in a genuine emergency - and that's what it seemingly came across as?!

Most of the time, things go according to plan. Sometimes they don't, and sometimes a fire alarm goes off. Shall we make sure that what gets broadcast goes seamlessly, or shall we make sure that people are actually okay?


I think that people were more surprised at how presentation reacted as it transpired that they weren't evacuated. The One Show ran a VT as they left the building, which faded out to black. There were several seconds of black before pres went to an apology caption, which having had several minutes' notice that the programme was going to fall off air at any moment, when the VT finished (particularly as they'll have heard the studio gallery talkback was silent so no hope that the programme would pick up off the back of the VT).

I guess that's the difference between the old 4th floor pres operation and the current set up, in that when a programme fell off air the announcer would self-op the initial filler material (slide, music, menu) leaving the director to get on with getting the programme back on air or getting a filler lined up. Nowadays the announcer has much less control, so the director is having to chase the fault and look after the pres output, so breakdowns and the like are necessarily covered in a much less slick way nowadays, just leaving a silent generic fault caption up wouldn't have been considered acceptable a few years ago.
MA
Markymark
So the screen went black for 0.6 seconds (or whatever it allegedly is/was).

How would you cope in a genuine emergency - and that's what it seemingly came across as?!

Most of the time, things go according to plan. Sometimes they don't, and sometimes a fire alarm goes off. Shall we make sure that what gets broadcast goes seamlessly, or shall we make sure that people are actually okay?


I think that people were more surprised at how presentation reacted as it transpired that they weren't evacuated. The One Show ran a VT as they left the building, which faded out to black. There were several seconds of black before pres went to an apology caption, which having had several minutes' notice that the programme was going to fall off air at any moment, when the VT finished (particularly as they'll have heard the studio gallery talkback was silent so no hope that the programme would pick up off the back of the VT).

I guess that's the difference between the old 4th floor pres operation and the current set up, in that when a programme fell off air the announcer would self-op the initial filler material (slide, music, menu) leaving the director to get on with getting the programme back on air or getting a filler lined up. Nowadays the announcer has much less control, so the director is having to chase the fault and look after the pres output, so breakdowns and the like are necessarily covered in a much less slick way nowadays, just leaving a silent generic fault caption up wouldn't have been considered acceptable a few years ago.


Up until the 90s, 'presentation' was in effect a live programme in its own right, running for 12, 15 or 18 hours.
As you say, the operation was better staffed, and (in the case of the Beeb) the announcer had their own self opt desk with suitable sources ready to go at short notice.

Today it's not as well staffed, there's a high degree of automation, and the announcers these days, unlike 30 years ago, seen unable to ad-lib any sort of intelligent or informative speech.

We're one of the few counties that still have so called, reactive presentation, and even here it's only provided on Chs 1-5. I suspect its use will diminish further, but whoever writes and programmes the software for playout systems needs to understand properly the requirements of live broadcasting, I don't think they do at the moment, judging by the way recent 'breakdowns' have been handled.

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