Why should the rest of the country have missed Eastenders (and endured extra One Show) just for West Midlands local output? WM could have opted-out of EE if necessary, leaving the rest of the country as normal (far from ideal, but at least disruption would have been confined to WM only)
Not just as suggested above, popping it on 301 - they COULD have had Network on a back-record, continued as they were opted out and missed out whatever was after EastEnders, and aired EastEnders 30 minutes later than billed with an announcement such as "If you'd like to view X then go to the BBC iPlayer"...
Can English Regions time delay like the Nations?
Should've done that the other Sunday, when they put the Macbeth programme on in place of HIGABMNFY in WM land!
No reason why they couldn't time-delay. They all have servers now and it should in theory be much easier to achieve a timeshift than the old days of tape-based playout. Actually, the last time I was aware of regular timeshifting in the regions (which I've mentioned before on TVF) was when there was a regional slot midweek in about 2004 at about 2315. There were only four regions opting, and Manchester were tasked with providing a timeshifted BBC One for the rest of the night until News 24. ISTR Manchester staffed a full gallery, running taped BBC One junctions and programmes and providing their own continuity (from Nigel Jay I think) and one or two very non-standard presentation slides as menus for the rearranged evening's viewing! Along with Manchester, Bristol and Plymouth were opting, possibly Birmingham as well... We all had talkback to/from Manchester, it was rather fun, though persuading the regional engineers to stay in our gallery after the regional programme had ended and monitor Manchester's timeshift, opting back to Net1 at something like 1am was a bit of a challenge.
The problem is that acting as a presentation department is now so alien to English regions (they haven't routinely done it for more than 30 years) that it's always going to be difficult to achieve and the consequences of a failed server recording, a breakdown mid-way or something else going astray are too big.
Impressive pictures from the top of Snowdon this morning, but the commentary from Sian Lloyd on the News Channel is excruciating. A good five minutes of "and there goes Sir Chris Bonington to the highest point in England and Wales, the highest point on the torch relay. As he makes his way through the crowd, Sir Chris Bonington, to the highest point..."
Make it stop!
The web stream has switched to the helicopter pics (though it looks like everyone needed to refresh the page to make it work) - the News Channel also have a camera on the mountain, which I guess is being radio linked via the helicopter.
Quite patchy coverage in Chester on the Torch Cam. BBC North West Tonight doing a special from the Roodee tonight, but having difficulty getting live pics from the Torch Cam - and now missed it arriving at the Roodee thanks to running a VT.
No reason why they couldn't time-delay. They all have servers now and it should in theory be much easier to achieve a timeshift than the old days of tape-based playout. Actually, the last time I was aware of regular timeshifting in the regions (which I've mentioned before on TVF) was when there was a regional slot midweek in about 2004 at about 2315. There were only four regions opting, and Manchester were tasked with providing a timeshifted BBC One for the rest of the night until News 24. ISTR Manchester staffed a full gallery, running taped BBC One junctions and programmes and providing their own continuity (from Nigel Jay I think) and one or two very non-standard presentation slides as menus for the rearranged evening's viewing! Along with Manchester, Bristol and Plymouth were opting, possibly Birmingham as well... We all had talkback to/from Manchester, it was rather fun, though persuading the regional engineers to stay in our gallery after the regional programme had ended and monitor Manchester's timeshift, opting back to Net1 at something like 1am was a bit of a challenge.
The problem is that acting as a presentation department is now so alien to English regions (they haven't routinely done it for more than 30 years) that it's always going to be difficult to achieve and the consequences of a failed server recording, a breakdown mid-way or something else going astray are too big.
As I said more or less, on another thread, the HIGNFY problem could have been avoided if they delayed their regional programme until 2305, taking HIGNFY with everyone except London, or opting out of the Room 101 repeat, as did London, as a late schedule change!
I thought the main rule of regional opt outs other than news, was to opt out of a network repeat, rather than a fresh show? (How 'The One Show' falls into this category is another matter?)
I thought the main rule of regional opt outs other than news, was to opt out of a network repeat, rather than a fresh show? (How 'The One Show' falls into this category is another matter?)
I'm guessing The One Show is deemed acceptable because it's at least a standalone show - unlike a soap or multi-part drama where missing one episode spoils following episodes?
I'm wondering now with the huge popularity of the relay whether they should have sent The One Show on the road for the duration, or at least for the regional events. The relay is kind of all about the stories of local heroes and local history - just the sort of thing The One Show kind of covers anyway.
And a crash straight into The One Show there from BBC North West into the middle of a report.
Indeed, I think they missed a trick there. It's especially annoying since the torch relay stream is down, not in North West at the moment and the BBC News Channel have finished dipping into coverage. Where else can I go?
It would have been expensive, I imagine, but it would have been so worth doing more live coverage on The One Show. I think the popularity has taken everybody by surprise, but 80 days would be a big commitment, so perhaps smaller, but regular coverage would have been great with a One Show unique twist.
Although I suspect some key relay dates clash with Euro 2012 matches I really think some regions warrant a second programme too. The Midlands and now the North West have had theres but the flame is yet to visit Manchester and Birmingham, so although I'm sure both will get special editions of the local news they may miss out on the actual lighting part if it takes place after 7pm.
I'm wondering now with the huge popularity of the relay whether they should have sent The One Show on the road for the duration, or at least for the regional events. The relay is kind of all about the stories of local heroes and local history - just the sort of thing The One Show kind of covers anyway.
I think the problem is that that is also the perfect thing for local news teams to cover, it's local stories of interest to local people whilst the torch is in their patch. It's pretty tricky to make an interesting and varied show every day for weeks and weeks when the stories are likely to be quite similar and possibly a bit repetitive for regular viewers? (And that's ignoring the Ofcom genre quotas that The One Show has to hit)
