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OLD ITV muilt regional...

did the pay for each other local programmes? (June 2007)

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MickeyNE
jason posted:
aberdeenboy posted:
The "large regionals" were Southern/TVS, Anglia, STV and HTV. This was as much to do with their ambitions to make network programming as their financial strength or the size of the region.


Well that's what always made me think. TTTV was always both much larger, and more ambitious than any other small regional (plenty of network drama series produced over the years, and in the eighties they built up a sizeable niche in music programming and gameshows as well as the kid's stuff). They always came across to me as either a small regional with ambitions to be a large one, or on the borderline between the two.

Border also had ideas way above their station (pun unintended), but on a smaller scale of course. Always seemed to get far more onto the network than some considerably larger companies -- indeed it often seemed in some seasons that they were more successful in this regard than the like of HTV.

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In the 80s, LWT and TVS tried to work together to turn TVS into a "sixth major" at the weekend. It's all very complex. Thank goodness these arrangements have gone!!!


Yes I remember TVS's ambitions -- such a pity it all had to end in tears the way it did. Southern, despite their size, never seemed to be bothered -- they seemed to be closer to a small regional in terms of ambition.


To be fair to all of the smaller players in the ITV network (in the old days) they all tried their best to get stuff on the network but were often blocked by the big 5. One of the best examples of this was what Granada did to TTTV's The Roxy. Granada refused to show the show at the time the rest of the network did. It showed the programme at another time which wrecked the viewing figures for Roxy meaning the network weren't keen on having it back - hence it ended!!!
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MickeyNE posted:

To be fair to all of the smaller players in the ITV network (in the old days) they all tried their best to get stuff on the network but were often blocked by the big 5. One of the best examples of this was what Granada did to TTTV's The Roxy. Granada refused to show the show at the time the rest of the network did. It showed the programme at another time which wrecked the viewing figures for Roxy meaning the network weren't keen on having it back - hence it ended!!!


Yeah this angered me at the time -- the initial ratings for the show were very good (even to the point that they were briefly trouncing TOTP), but the actions of some of the Big 5 effectively killed it off. The show had some real talent involved -- most of the tech guys had come over from The Tube -- but a small station having a big ITV ratings success? We can't have that! I recall that TTTV's management were interviewed by a number of papers, and sounded very bitter about the situation.
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SO in theory:

Most of the Local station could have Paid Southern TV for its Run of Saturday banana, on there local area and to show all the episodes?
without Releasing that it had a 22 week runs

and as back in those day everything was a Done deal ( most of the time )
there couldn't show Tiswas any ways as there had brought a 22 week run of Saturday banana?
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rdd Founding member
Essentially there was a committee of the ITCA / ITVA - the Programme Controllers' Committee - consisting of the Directors of Programmes of Granada, Thames, LWT, Yorkshire, and Central (or their predecessor companies) alongside a Deputy Director-General of the IBA which decided what programmes were commissioned by the network. Essentially that meant mostly Big 5 output with a few other programmes getting in from the likes of TVS. The ITV companies signed a yearly Live Network Agreement that governed how the network operated (or more to the point, the price paid by the Ten to the Five for their output).

The Broadcasting Act 1990 put an end to that, mostly after lobbying from TVS. Its specific requirement was for a nominated person, independent of the ITV companies, to schedule ITV programming. This grew into the role of Director of Programmes for ITV, which essentially the Network Centre was set up to support. The Network Centre actually did very little other than commissioning and scheduling at first, broadcasting the network feed, when it came into existance, was originally an LNN role, and national promotions were made by the company producing the programme until the NPU came into being c.1997-1998. The ITVA was renamed ITV Network Limited in 1998 to reflect the fact that the NC had basically taken over the association's roles, to this day, ITV Network Limited is still a company limited by guarentee and not as is often thought a subsidary of ITV plc.
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two points:

A: were the other 10 just happen to go along with this ( bar /TVS) as it was easy and simple to make money:

B: was there EVER at time when other 10 stuck two fingers up to the BIG five and said NO ?
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Stuart
623058 posted:
was there EVER at time when other 10 stuck two fingers up to the BIG five and said NO ?

That would've been commercial suicide!
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why?
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stevek
apart from Granada do any of the big studios exist now?
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StuartPlymouth posted:
623058 posted:
was there EVER at time when other 10 stuck two fingers up to the BIG five and said NO ?

That would've been commercial suicide!


And hence why the big 5 were able to get away with it.

Of course, the other ten were collectively large enough to put together a rival network to the output produced by the big 5, but it wasn't worth it since ITV was a monopoly and therefore there was no point in not showing what the big 5 produced for them.
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If it wasn;t Network could the other 10 sometimes Dumped the programme Else where?

also is the network centre still independent of ITV to this day?
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nwtv2003
stevek posted:
apart from Granada do any of the big studios exist now?


LWT, Yorkshire and HTV Wales studios are still alive and well, although HTV tend to let Independent Production Companies use theirs AIUI.
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frostat01
Yorkshires is now called The Leeds Studios and does the same like HTV.

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