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Nigel Pickard fights back

Another two shows axed! (June 2005)

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Andrew Founding member
mattlock posted:
I'm not sure what this pillock (Pickard) needs to convince him that turning ITV into a trashier version of Sky One was a mistake. Viewers just will not watch the programmes he puts on, other than one or two, which he then repeats until we don't want to watch them either. Sticking Corrie on for an hour directly before Celebrity Love Island achieved what it deserved to - a big fat nothing. Springwatch on BBC2 is a big hit comparitively. Someone thought "outside the box", someone else committed money to it for live OBs and presenters etc, the controller has backed it - and it works. Meanwhile on ITV, "Celebrity Fat Families from Hell". If ITV can't provide a schedule of popular public service programmes (it is a public service broadcaster by the way) then shut the bloody thing down.

That's a very simplistic way of looking at it, as if to say that no other channel is allowed to have high rating programmes. It's the way that if BBC1 or Channel 4 have a popular programme, the ITV1 programme as a result is therefore unpopular and is therefore axed that I just can't understand.
If every programme that doesn't win it's slot is a flop, which it seems to be according to the likes of Media Guardian then surely every channel may as well close down and be replaced by one single channel.

Surely even in the 70s, BBC1 lost out to half of the time to ITV and vica versa yet shows wern't announced as a flop straightaway.
DB
dbl
I think Nigel Packard should be sacked, what kind of junk is he commisioning, and Celeb Love Island is the climax! Evil or Very Mad
JE
Jez Founding member
msim posted:
I dont know if this is true or not, but ive heard that both Fat Families and The Real Good Life have been axed due to their disastrous ratings last night (2.1 million viewers- a 10% share and 2.3 million - a 12% share respectivly), and will instead be replaced by a repeat of Dennis Nordens It'll be alright on the night next week. If this is true, surely this is further evidence of the dire state the channel is in, pulling two programmes that are only two and one episodes into their run! I wonder what Mr Pickard is thinking now?


Yes it appears to be true, I read it on teletext.

Although its a bit soon to pull programmes after 1 or 2 episodes ITV cannot afford to have dead wood in the schedule these days due to some much competition from digital channels.
IS
Isonstine Founding member
What makes me smile is that every time ITV pulls a failure from it's schedules - it comissions another thinking "it'll be different this time."

It'll Be Alright On The Night - how apt - they certainly can't put out of a night's worth of "alright" programming.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Andrew posted:
Surely even in the 70s, BBC1 lost out to half of the time to ITV and vica versa yet shows wern't announced as a flop straightaway.


But with only one commercial broadcaster at the time, advertisers paid for their spots without question. That's why an ITV franchise really was a, "licence to print money".

Apologies if this sounds patronising, but there *is* a very simplistic formula at work here. The cash raised in advertising slots slides in accordance with how many viewers tune in. As much as I hate the practice it probably makes more business sense to pull a low rater and replace it than lose the peak revenues over the run of the series.

Many programmes simply don't capture their audiences on the first few installments, and it's a shame that some babies may get thrown out with the bath-water.

But that's showbusiness.
PT
Put The Telly On
All this in ITV's 50th year. I think they should celebrate by sending out P45's to staff! Very Happy
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Andrew Founding member
nok32uk posted:
All this in ITV's 50th year. I think they should celebrate by sending out P45's to staff! Very Happy

It also happened in ITV's 49th year as well.
In fact replace Celebrity Love Island with Simply the Best and you could just rerun all of last year's posts. I'm sure they'll be back on top with dramas every night of the week come September.

I really don't know what future this is leading to where ITV introduce a new series against a strong BBC1 soap, it doesn't beat it, which was not unexpected and then ends up getting pulled after 1 episode. There's something wrong here.
SE
Square Eyes Founding member
I'm not sure it's about the 8pm shows beating Holby, that wouldn't be expected. ITV seem to be bothered a lot more about audience inheritance these days.

And fact is, the 8pm shows didn't deliver into Bad Girls, which was relegated into 3rd place last night, and is usually one of their stronger shows.

That, I think is more alarming.
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A former member
What I find particularly strange is the number of errors ITV perceives itself to be making, then answering this problem by shelving entire series (at considerable expense) rather than finding other positions in the schedule for them.

By doing this, they're creating a rod for their own back, because this will just encourage lazy hacks to pick out any flagging series, in the full knowledge that ITV will probably can that as well, thereby leading to even more bad press.

I think ITV will come to rue the day they gave away their trump card in this game, namely to test new concepts cheaply in regions before pushing them out nationwide. Now more than ever this would have been a very powerful tool.
BR
Brekkie
I've said this before but the main problem with ITV is they are reliant on short-term ratings boosts such as stripping a series of I'm a Celebrity, or a cheap rip-off, every night for a couple of weeks, or screening one-off drama premieres.

What they need is more shows that can consistantly pull in the ratings on a week in, week out basis, alongside Corrie, Emmerdale and The Bill.

That means longer drama series, more comedy, especially in primetime - and some new entertainment formats.

People are sick of celebrity based reality shows - especially those where the only reason the contestants are "celebs" is too appear on such shows. Real people work better for ITV - shows like Bad Lads Army and Survivor have a far stronger format, and in the long term will be more successful.

I think the resurrection of Survivor could show that ITV can do reailty shows well - and I know many reality fans have a high regard for Survivor - as long as it's original format remains intact, and ITV don't try to turn it into a money spinning version of Big Brother.
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tvarksouthwest
mattlock posted:
I'm not sure what this pillock (Pickard) needs to convince him that turning ITV into a trashier version of Sky One was a mistake. Viewers just will not watch the programmes he puts on, other than one or two, which he then repeats until we don't want to watch them either.

It's more pitiful when you consider the iconic programmes Nigel used to work on, such as Worzel Gummidge. But perhaps we shouldn't be too hard on him. After all, he is only the lapdog dancing to Charles Allen's tune.


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Sticking Corrie on for an hour directly before Celebrity Love Island achieved what it deserved to - a big fat nothing.

Quite the reverse, according to Teletext. CLI beat Big Borether in the ratings.

And tonight ITV performs its favourite party trick, dropping The Real Good Life and Fat Families without even a week's grace for anyone who tunes in. I doubt anyone here will miss either - but my thoughts go out to those who endured months of Nightscreen plugging The Real Good Life!

Seriously, it's this habit of impulse rescheduling which lets down viewers, programme makers and ultimately, ITV themselves. If only broadcasters were required to explain on air such changes: "Now on ITV1 a change to our published schedules. In place of The Real Good Life and Fat Families which were not performing well in the ratings, Denis Norden once again promises It'll Be Alright On The Night" .
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Austin316uk
tvarksouthwest posted:

Quite the reverse, according to Teletext. CLI beat Big Borether in the ratings.


Please tell me that's not true! I really have lost all hope for society!

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