RW
RW
They've remembered to add the 'Newsroom South East' caption to the sting tonight!
NG
Just the window and the sidebar. The rest of the set is most definitely real.
Not quite.
The wide shot shows that the desk and wall behind are real, and the Thames shot is CSOed and DVEed (picture shape changing device) into the wall.
However looking at the main inset shot (sidebar shot) Mike is able to move IN FRONT of the inset, and the bars at the bottom of the screen look fake.
I think they have positioned Mike so that he is shot completely against the CSO window, and they then key in the Thames shot and then key the Inset, Wall AND bars across this.
(If the Inset/Sidebar were real it could not really be CSOed off beige/ivory in the wall, so would be hard keyed OVER the picture, and Mike would move behind it)
This might allow them to easily move from Inset to Full backdrop shot (as used for the double boxes - with no bars) without changing cameras - you'd just remove the inset/walls/bar key, leaving just the Thames Shot.
noggin
Founding member
RW posted:
Isonstine posted:
So is EVERYTHING fake done by chromakey? Or is it just the window?
I couldn't really tell on my very crap reception of Crystal Palace so could someone enlighten me?
I couldn't really tell on my very crap reception of Crystal Palace so could someone enlighten me?
Just the window and the sidebar. The rest of the set is most definitely real.
Not quite.
The wide shot shows that the desk and wall behind are real, and the Thames shot is CSOed and DVEed (picture shape changing device) into the wall.
However looking at the main inset shot (sidebar shot) Mike is able to move IN FRONT of the inset, and the bars at the bottom of the screen look fake.
I think they have positioned Mike so that he is shot completely against the CSO window, and they then key in the Thames shot and then key the Inset, Wall AND bars across this.
(If the Inset/Sidebar were real it could not really be CSOed off beige/ivory in the wall, so would be hard keyed OVER the picture, and Mike would move behind it)
This might allow them to easily move from Inset to Full backdrop shot (as used for the double boxes - with no bars) without changing cameras - you'd just remove the inset/walls/bar key, leaving just the Thames Shot.
SO
SittingOvation
I didn't know NSE had moved from Elstree!
So where have they moved to? I presume it's not TVCentre, because you're all using the phrase 'Central London'. And, in the same way that I'd describe Elstee as 'North West London', I'd describe Shepherd's Bush as 'West London'.
So where is NSE coming from now? (If it's TVCentre, then I can only assume that you all percieve Shepherd's Bush to be in 'the western part of Central London'.
If nothing else, this proves that phrases such as 'West London', 'Central London' etc are difficult to define, and depend on a certain amount of personal opinion...
(Edited by SittingOvation at 4:55 pm on Aug. 8, 2001)
So where have they moved to? I presume it's not TVCentre, because you're all using the phrase 'Central London'. And, in the same way that I'd describe Elstee as 'North West London', I'd describe Shepherd's Bush as 'West London'.
So where is NSE coming from now? (If it's TVCentre, then I can only assume that you all percieve Shepherd's Bush to be in 'the western part of Central London'.
If nothing else, this proves that phrases such as 'West London', 'Central London' etc are difficult to define, and depend on a certain amount of personal opinion...
(Edited by SittingOvation at 4:55 pm on Aug. 8, 2001)
RW
RW
SittingOvation posted:
I didn't know NSE had moved from Elstree!
So where have they moved to? (Edited by SittingOvation at 4:55 pm on Aug. 8, 2001)
So where have they moved to? (Edited by SittingOvation at 4:55 pm on Aug. 8, 2001)
Marylebone High Street, in the same building as London Live 94.9FM, and not a million miles way from Broadcasting House, which I suppose is West London but nowhere near as West as Television Centre.
NG
noggin
Founding member
Newsroom South East has moved to the new BBC London HQ at Marylebone High Street. This has been the home to London Live radio for quite a while. Marylebone is also the home to parts of TV Training (there is a separate TV training studio and gallery there) as well as journalist training.
I am not sure anyone could really describe Elstree as part of London at all - it's definitely in Hertfordshire! (Borehamwood)
Currently Newsroom South East from Marylebone High Street is being broadcast across the old BBC South East region (minus Oxford who peeled off to be a Southampton sub-opt a while back)
Next month Tunbridge Wells should launch 'South East Today' the new BBC South East region covering Kent and parts of East Sussex, then Marylebone High St will be broadcasting to the new BBC London region only.
There is some speculation that the BBC London programme may then cease to be called Newsroom South East (possibly London Live to match the radio station) and may change look and feel quite a bit.
I am not sure anyone could really describe Elstree as part of London at all - it's definitely in Hertfordshire! (Borehamwood)
Currently Newsroom South East from Marylebone High Street is being broadcast across the old BBC South East region (minus Oxford who peeled off to be a Southampton sub-opt a while back)
Next month Tunbridge Wells should launch 'South East Today' the new BBC South East region covering Kent and parts of East Sussex, then Marylebone High St will be broadcasting to the new BBC London region only.
There is some speculation that the BBC London programme may then cease to be called Newsroom South East (possibly London Live to match the radio station) and may change look and feel quite a bit.
SO
SittingOvation
Within the South East region (in it's current form), Elstree is an awfully long way north. This makes me wonder why it was ever the home of BBC South East. Surely regional TV should be based approximately centrally within their region?
Similarly, Birmingham is a bit far east within the Midlands region, but that really can't be helped because of when the East Midlands broke away (before then, B'ham was relatively central)
And as I sit here, yet another example springs to mind! Leeds is very far west within the BBC North (Yorks & Lincs) region.
In fact, I doubt that any BBC regional bases are even remotely central within their region, despite the fact that it would surely make more sense if yhey were!
Similarly, Birmingham is a bit far east within the Midlands region, but that really can't be helped because of when the East Midlands broke away (before then, B'ham was relatively central)
And as I sit here, yet another example springs to mind! Leeds is very far west within the BBC North (Yorks & Lincs) region.
In fact, I doubt that any BBC regional bases are even remotely central within their region, despite the fact that it would surely make more sense if yhey were!
DY
DaveYorks
The BBC/ITV centres are located in the largest cities in their regions, because they generally tend to have more 'worthy' news than others! BBC North would probably find York to be a more central base, but they wouldn't move there because it's too far from the Leeds/Bradford and Sheffield conurbation which have the highest populations and most news!
RW
RW
SittingOvation posted:
Within the South East region (in it's current form), Elstree is an awfully long way north. This makes me wonder why it was ever the home of BBC South East.
I think it was chosen in the late 80s as the centre of the old BBC South & East region, and latterly the BBC South East region, deliberately because it wasn't in London, so to emphasise there was more to the South East than just London. This was also the thinking behind renaming London Plus as Newsroom South East at the same time.
NG
noggin
Founding member
Elstree became the home to BBC South East with the launch of Newsroom South East.
Before that London Plus was broadcast from the BBCs Lime Grove studios which were close to TV Centre in Shepherds Bush and also home to Nationwide/Sixty Minutes and Breakfast Time amongst many other programmes.
The BBC bought the Elstree studios from an ITV franchise holder (ATV I think) and eventually upgraded them to house East Enders, TV Training, Grange Hill (which was done as an OB from within a studio with no gallery!) and some quiz shows, and Top of the Pops also moved there.
I think it was decided to move BBC South East to its own site to give it a degree of autonomy - though it was so far north as to be almost in Look East's patch!! (Nothing to do with there being LOTS of space going up for grabs at Elstree at the time)
In fact when the BBC regions were shaken up in the late 80s there was a combined BBC South & East region. This combined Elstree/LimeGrove(?) and Norwich, and a joint Friday evening programme was made called 'Weekend'. This came from the Norwich studios (as Look East then came from the Norwich Newsroom, and thus the studio was free) but was presented by both Penny Bustin (ex-London Plus, then Look East) and Guy Michelmore (London Plus then Newsroom SouthEast). Weather came from Graham Parker (then the Look East weatherman) and FIONA PHILLIPS did the travel (yep - GMTVs Fiona!!)
I think the other regions were BBC South & West (Bristol, Plymouth, Southampton), BBC Midlands (Birmingham & Notts sub-opt/programme) and BBC North (Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester)
There was then a further shake-up with BBC East moving into BBC Midlands and East, and Elstree moving to BBC South (not to be confused with BBC South - Southampton...) Confused? Everyone was!
Nowadays all the separate BBC English regions are autonomous - and are all part of BBC English regions.
Before that London Plus was broadcast from the BBCs Lime Grove studios which were close to TV Centre in Shepherds Bush and also home to Nationwide/Sixty Minutes and Breakfast Time amongst many other programmes.
The BBC bought the Elstree studios from an ITV franchise holder (ATV I think) and eventually upgraded them to house East Enders, TV Training, Grange Hill (which was done as an OB from within a studio with no gallery!) and some quiz shows, and Top of the Pops also moved there.
I think it was decided to move BBC South East to its own site to give it a degree of autonomy - though it was so far north as to be almost in Look East's patch!! (Nothing to do with there being LOTS of space going up for grabs at Elstree at the time)
In fact when the BBC regions were shaken up in the late 80s there was a combined BBC South & East region. This combined Elstree/LimeGrove(?) and Norwich, and a joint Friday evening programme was made called 'Weekend'. This came from the Norwich studios (as Look East then came from the Norwich Newsroom, and thus the studio was free) but was presented by both Penny Bustin (ex-London Plus, then Look East) and Guy Michelmore (London Plus then Newsroom SouthEast). Weather came from Graham Parker (then the Look East weatherman) and FIONA PHILLIPS did the travel (yep - GMTVs Fiona!!)
I think the other regions were BBC South & West (Bristol, Plymouth, Southampton), BBC Midlands (Birmingham & Notts sub-opt/programme) and BBC North (Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester)
There was then a further shake-up with BBC East moving into BBC Midlands and East, and Elstree moving to BBC South (not to be confused with BBC South - Southampton...) Confused? Everyone was!
Nowadays all the separate BBC English regions are autonomous - and are all part of BBC English regions.
WI
william
Founding member
Presumably at present the signal from Marlyebone is still being relayed through Elstree and opt outs being done from there? Is this likely to continue indefinitely or will the Elstree link eventually be lost?
Does anyone know whether we're getting a new political programme / current affairs shows for the two 30 minute regional slots? (I am in Kent - part of the brand new South East region).
On a similar vein, will the transmitters in our area have to come offline at some point to accommodate all these changes, and will we get any overnight test transmissions - or is everything so advanced these days that this won't be necessary?
And has the studio at Chatham now been lost, as Radio Kent moved from their old buildings there to Tunbridge Wells a couple of months back..
William
Does anyone know whether we're getting a new political programme / current affairs shows for the two 30 minute regional slots? (I am in Kent - part of the brand new South East region).
On a similar vein, will the transmitters in our area have to come offline at some point to accommodate all these changes, and will we get any overnight test transmissions - or is everything so advanced these days that this won't be necessary?
And has the studio at Chatham now been lost, as Radio Kent moved from their old buildings there to Tunbridge Wells a couple of months back..
William