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Square Eyes7,233 posts since 31 Mar 2001
What if the Sky News relaunch was so bad that the viewers didn't warm to it or didn't come back. A relaunch can be a major gamble, particularly if you are basically starting from scratch with a blank canvas. Everyone is suggesting it will be the best thing since slice bread, BUT what if it's actually really quite awful ?
william647 posts since 7 Jun 2001
techy peep posted:
cheshirec posted:
Tech and Nicky both work for the BBC, they're hardly going to blurt out all of its faults!
I'm not saying the Tory leadship contest one was tampered with but without a doubt the Archer Verdict figures would have included BBC One figures.

How can figures be fiddled with when the box registers which channel you are watching?


What I'd be really interested to know is when the BBC/News 24 simulcasts end, how many people switch over and continue to watch on N24 as a result?

Someone made the point about BBC being available in 30% more homes than Sky... well surely that's Sky's fault for (allegedly) forcing Ondigital to pay a fortune if they wanted to carry it? I hope at some point to get Sky as I'd like to be able to pick and choose between channels during breaking stories, and to see what the interactive service is like, but if they're just going to ignore digital terrestrial TV then their figures are inevitably going to drop between the BBC at some point in the future.

On a related point...

(a) is there any more news about the much rumoured interactive service for News 24 and what format it will take...
(b) what happened to the plans for BBC Radio Five Live News Plus? Is this still going to go ahead or was it scrapped? I'd like to have a news alernative on radio between 7-10pm on weekday nights or during weekend afternoons..

William
cat2,504 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Then i'd be very worried if I was Sky News!
But I think it's safe to assume the relaunch is going to be pretty good. So far presenters have called it 'posh' and 'fabulous'.
cat2,504 posts since 4 Jan 2003
william posted:
techy peep posted:
cheshirec posted:
Tech and Nicky both work for the BBC, they're hardly going to blurt out all of its faults!
I'm not saying the Tory leadship contest one was tampered with but without a doubt the Archer Verdict figures would have included BBC One figures.

How can figures be fiddled with when the box registers which channel you are watching?


It isn't the case that Sky are ignoring DTT.
Sky were going to set up a DTT service with Carlton - they put a hell of a lot of money into DDT. But the all knowing ITC threw them out.

Sky News cannot be offered for free because it is a commercial channel. ITN is only offered because its running costs amount to about 20p an hour.

I think if Sky were not to get its viewers back it would face a serious problem.
Not only would it have totally lost a hell of a lot of its audience overnight but it would mean conceding defeat to the BBC!

CNN are still trying to recover from the Fox News situation, but I honest cannot see, and I really hope (I'll get to why in a second) that Sky remains top dog in the news channel industry.

Here's why.
The BBC already dominate main scheduled bulletins, which are very good in themselves. However, I don't think their news channel is up to much, and neither do a lot of people at the BBC itself.
Sky offers a 3rd source of news to the Uk which would be displaced if the BBC were to yet again take over another market.
I honestly cannot see Sky allowing that to happen - perhaps this is why the relaunch is to be so drastic? And the biggest change they've had since launch?

It would be a great shame, not only for Sky but for the general public to be relying on the BBC for news all of the time.
I think this may have sent a little ripple through Sky, but like I said, it has happened before and undoubtably will happen again.

On thing that may have altered figures in the Tory leadship race was that from the votes I'd seen, Sky were using that split screen combination - with the picture in only a very small part of the screen. It may be the case that viewers didn't like this (I certainly didn't but watched because I thought the coverage and interviews were far superior to what could be found on News 24).
So perhaps the little screen graphics was a problem for Sky.
But I would find it very hard to believe that an audience could just vanish like that, quite literally, overnight.
I think that once the relaunch is complete Sky will gradually woo back viewers and it may even increase its viewers who find the new style attractive.
Who knows! But from my view Sky certainly remains the better and more dedicated news channel.


What I'd be really interested to know is when the BBC/News 24 simulcasts end, how many people switch over and continue to watch on N24 as a result?

Someone made the point about BBC being available in 30% more homes than Sky...  well surely that's Sky's fault for (allegedly) forcing Ondigital to pay a fortune if they wanted to carry it?  I hope at some point to get Sky as I'd like to be able to pick and choose between channels during breaking stories, and to see what the interactive service is like,  but if they're just going to ignore digital terrestrial TV then their figures are inevitably going to drop between the BBC at some point in the future.

On a related point...

(a) is there any more news about the much rumoured interactive service for News 24 and what format it will take...
(b) what happened to the plans for BBC Radio Five Live News Plus?   Is this still going to go ahead or was it scrapped?   I'd like to have a news alernative on radio between 7-10pm on weekday nights or during weekend afternoons..

William