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(July 2003)

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c@t posted:
I REALLY hate HTV West posted:
... and let's not forget that nice survey from earlier this week saying the BBC is the most trusted TV news organisation... Sky News got 11% compared to near 60% for the Beeb.


Actually, I think Sky's was 13%.

Channel 4's was 11%.

What does this prove? That the survey is tripe.

Less people trust Channel 4's journalism than Sky's and ITV's? Even I trust Channel 4's more than Sky's.

It works on the basis of how many people watch them, not the basis of how reliable they are. And as I have said many times before, if you think the general public have a clue what they're on about, you're obviously working for MORI or some other crackpot polling company producing more and more rubbish by the day.


Hehehe - now C@t bashed imperical research to justify arguement.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
I REALLY hate HTV West posted:
... and let's not forget that nice survey from earlier this week saying the BBC is the most trusted TV news organisation... Sky News got 11% compared to near 60% for the Beeb.


Only because more people watch the BBC anyway, as the News at Ten/When ratings constantly show. And that's only 60% of those polled - who knows how many people they asked? Perhaps most of those asked don't have Sky Digital or Freeview or Cable so when it comes down to it there's really only two choices - BBC or ITN (split three ways for ITV, Ch4 and Five).

Sky News gets my vote anyway - more interesting for a start with decent presenters, good use of the newswall (both for the powerpoint type presentations and backdrop effects) and just general speediness (plus it was first and the Beeb only set theirs up in the first place to prove that they could do something similiar)

I found this independent review of News 24 from 2002 which seems relevant to this thread - it's a PDF file viewed as HTML through Google's cache:

Google Cache

Original PDF File
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A former member
Neil Jones posted:
I REALLY hate HTV West posted:
... and let's not forget that nice survey from earlier this week saying the BBC is the most trusted TV news organisation... Sky News got 11% compared to near 60% for the Beeb.


Only because more people watch the BBC anyway, as the News at Ten/When ratings constantly show.


I'm sorry, I think I'll trust the research data rather than your unsubstantiated opinion there ...
RE
Re-it-er-ate
For 2002:

Quote:
- Breakfast averaged nearly 1 million.
- The BBC One O'Clock News averaged 2.7 million.
- The BBC Six O'Clock News averaged 5.1 million.
- The BBC Ten O'Clock News averaged 4.8 million.

BBC Press Office.

I'm sure BBC does better on the ten o clock news, and ITV on the evening and lunchtime programmes - does anyone have the ITV figures?
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Marcus posted:
Nicky doesn't work on the channel so wouldn't know all the details. I can tell you what I have heard and that is that a ticker is on it's way. Probably just for Breaking news and during taped programmes, at least to begin with. As for a date, it depends when they can get the technology working. These things nearly always miss their launch date
I think I've already seen it - two months ago, late night, during a BBC World produced programme. I can't remember the programme name, but it's graphics are orange, and the programme zoomed into a window top centered, with the ticker underneath. It only lasted 5 mintes, and was just a brief look at the headlines, so it may have been experimental.
MA
Marcus Founding member
Digifiend posted:
Marcus posted:
Nicky doesn't work on the channel so wouldn't know all the details. I can tell you what I have heard and that is that a ticker is on it's way. Probably just for Breaking news and during taped programmes, at least to begin with. As for a date, it depends when they can get the technology working. These things nearly always miss their launch date
I think I've already seen it - two months ago, late night, during a BBC World produced programme. I can't remember the programme name, but it's graphics are orange, and the programme zoomed into a window top centered, with the ticker underneath. It only lasted 5 mintes, and was just a brief look at the headlines, so it may have been experimental.


er isn't that just the scrolling headlines which should appear during every taped programme at a quarter to the hour. They have been in existence since 1999
SN
snarfu
That was not the ticker - what you saw what the xx.45 minutes headlines scrolling astons which appear during the features programmes such as Hardtalk, Simpsons World etc.
SN
snarfu
Damm - beaten to it Very Happy
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snarfu posted:
That was not the ticker - what you saw what the xx.45 minutes headlines scrolling astons which appear during the features programmes such as Hardtalk, Simpsons World etc.
scrolling astons? I think you'll find they are called tickers! Never mind. I hadn't noticed it was a particular time (must've been 1.45am or 2.45am) either.
MD
mdtauk
Digifiend posted:
snarfu posted:
That was not the ticker - what you saw what the xx.45 minutes headlines scrolling astons which appear during the features programmes such as Hardtalk, Simpsons World etc.
scrolling astons? I think you'll find they are called tickers! Never mind. I hadn't noticed it was a particular time (must've been 1.45am or 2.45am) either.

Its just the Headline Strap that has always been used during feature programmes...
SN
snarfu
I would diasgree that that is not a ticker. By that definition the coming up graphics with the scrolling text would also be refered to as a ticker but it isn't.
BB
BBC LDN
c@t posted:
And as I have said many times before, if you think the general public have a clue what they're on about, you're obviously working for MORI or some other crackpot polling company producing more and more rubbish by the day.


That may be true in a poll with a factual basis, but a poll such as this is by its very nature subjective. If you were asking the public what colour they thought the sky was, and 82% answered 'green', you would have a clear basis upon which to argue that the public have no idea what they're talking about.

However, in a poll of this type, you are asking specifically for people's opinions, and therefore - as obvious as it sounds to say it - there opinions count! You can't just say that the public don't know what they're talking about in trusting one organisation over another; their opinions may differ from yours, but that doesn't make them 'wrong' as such.

However, the reliability of these data can be questioned according to the methods of polling; for example, who were the people sampled? Was the sample representative of all viewers? When were the people asked? What were the questions asked? etc.

Without having seen any of the polling data or methods, I would imagine that it wasn't perfectly effected, and did indeed base much of its extrapolation upon what most people watched rather than their considered opinions on each news service. However, to some extent, this is what many people would consider to be 'trusting' one organisation over another; if you were to ask Gary and Sharon from Dagenham what news service they trusted most, they would likely name the service they watch the most, rather than formulating an opinion based upon actual news agendas.

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