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News 24 - Headlines were total mess at 1600

(August 2003)

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A former member
What on earth just happend on News 24?

45 Second countdown... bit unusual

Peter Sissons pops up - falls over his words slightly (obviously getting an earfull from the TDA)

Messed up footage - Peter reading out the headlines, where the wrong footage is being played.

Kept cutting back to Peter who tried his damn best to hold it together, and while the vamp was still going, he said "well I hope we'll have a better set of headlines a little later.." while he was still talking, the opening titles crashed in and he dissapeared.

He then returned saying "Yes, this IS BBC News 24, I'm Peter Sissons..."

Who the hell is directing this afternoon, and why can't they do their job properly? It's totally ridiculous.

It happens all the time on News 24, and it discredits the channel no end. Apparantly the N24 gallery is more often than not full of trainees - well they shouldn't be allowed to direct if they don't know what they are doing.
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Re-it-er-ate
Yes, I saw this too! Total mess (as usual). The same happens quite often at 00.00 to poor Deborah McCenzie (remember that time during the American Power Cuts.)

News 24 is meant to be a channel of technical expertise, yet Sky and definatly the ITV News Channel are much better at playing the titles right. With the new countdown and crashing opening, the TOTH is meant to be dramatic and usually its little more than a laughing stock.

So there. I now expect some brainwashed BBC technical employee to come along and tell me how difficult it is, how i should get my facts right and how if its so easy i should try and do it. Rolling Eyes
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Neil__
No, it wasn't me vision mixing! Razz

See the 'BBC News on tour' thread if you have no idea what I'm talking about.
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NickyS Founding member
Re-it-er-ate posted:
Yes, I saw this too! Total mess (as usual). The same happens quite often at 00.00 to poor Deborah McCenzie (remember that time during the American Power Cuts.)

News 24 is meant to be a channel of technical expertise, yet Sky and definatly the ITV News Channel are much better at playing the titles right. With the new countdown and crashing opening, the TOTH is meant to be dramatic and usually its little more than a laughing stock.

So there. I now expect some brainwashed BBC technical employee to come along and tell me how difficult it is, how i should get my facts right and how if its so easy i should try and do it. Rolling Eyes

I'm not going to comment on the 1600 incident but I have to say that ITN also have problems with the server technology and I've seen Sky's headliens got to pot as well. Technology is never 100 per cent add to that human error and things are bound to go wrong every now and then.
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moss Founding member
This kind of thing will always happen on news channels where there is so much live output. Of course, if a presenter deals with it well, it often makes the channel look far better than usual Wink
HA
harshy Founding member
Yep BBC News 24 and the Christopher Columbus technology going cock a hoop again, I bet ya if BBC News 24 did Sky News style headlines, that Columbus would sure blow a fuse!
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A former member
moss posted:
This kind of thing will always happen on news channels where there is so much live output. Of course, if a presenter deals with it well, it often makes the channel look far better than usual Wink


Oh Peter Sissons held it together as best as he could bless him.

It's the drunk technicians and directing team in the gallery that annoyed me. Surely a news channel that broadcasts to millions of homes, not just the UK but around the world, would have better technology, or at least employ people who know how to use it.

Servers don't crash for no reason - there is always human error or complete incompetence involved somewhere down the line.

There was an incident last week where Alistair Yates was reading the headlines on the hour, and a bloody News 24 trail popped up, leaving Al to apologise. Again, the reason is probably incompetence or lazyness on the part of the technical team.

Bad workmen blame their tools - remember that.
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Marcus Founding member
A Major Setup posted:
moss posted:
This kind of thing will always happen on news channels where there is so much live output. Of course, if a presenter deals with it well, it often makes the channel look far better than usual Wink


Oh Peter Sissons held it together as best as he could bless him.

It's the drunk technicians and directing team in the gallery that annoyed me. Surely a news channel that broadcasts to millions of homes, not just the UK but around the world, would have better technology, or at least employ people who know how to use it.

Servers don't crash for no reason - there is always human error or complete incompetence involved somewhere down the line.

There was an incident last week where Alistair Yates was reading the headlines on the hour, and a bloody News 24 trail popped up, leaving Al to apologise. Again, the reason is probably incompetence or lazyness on the part of the technical team.

Bad workmen blame their tools - remember that.


I don't think you will find the News24 staff are drunk.Have you any proof to back that assertion up.

The reason that things go wrong is usually down to poor training, often on the part of the journalists . I don't know what happend at four but it may have been the headline macros were wrong which could have thrown the system out.
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A former member
Marcus posted:
A Major Setup posted:
moss posted:
This kind of thing will always happen on news channels where there is so much live output. Of course, if a presenter deals with it well, it often makes the channel look far better than usual Wink


Oh Peter Sissons held it together as best as he could bless him.

It's the drunk technicians and directing team in the gallery that annoyed me. Surely a news channel that broadcasts to millions of homes, not just the UK but around the world, would have better technology, or at least employ people who know how to use it.

Servers don't crash for no reason - there is always human error or complete incompetence involved somewhere down the line.

There was an incident last week where Alistair Yates was reading the headlines on the hour, and a bloody News 24 trail popped up, leaving Al to apologise. Again, the reason is probably incompetence or lazyness on the part of the technical team.

Bad workmen blame their tools - remember that.


I don't think you will find the News24 staff are drunk.Have you any proof to back that assertion up.

The reason that things go wrong is usually down to poor training, often on the part of the journalists . I don't know what happend at four but it may have been the headline macros were wrong which could have thrown the system out.


I used the term "drunk" as a descriptive form of the sloppy output.

So it's the macros that were wrong, possibly. Well that is of course human error.

If that mess had occured on the national news, I'm sure there would have been a few very strongly worded memos sent out. But does anyone care about news 24?
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moss Founding member
Yes, but there is far less live output of national news on One/Two than N24. So not only are things going to be more likely to go wrong simply because there is far more output, but they also have far less (no?) chance to rehearse things. And obviously, the national news can afford to have a full gallery, so there is less pressure, and so less mistakes - N24 just couldn't afford that (and there would be complaints if all that money was spent!). It's not a fair comparison.
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itsrobert Founding member
moss posted:
Yes, but there is far less live output of national news on One/Two than N24. So not only are things going to be more likely to go wrong simply because there is far more output, but they also have far less (no?) chance to rehearse things. And obviously, the national news can afford to have a full gallery, so there is less pressure, and so less mistakes - N24 just couldn't afford that (and there would be complaints if all that money was spent!). It's not a fair comparison.


That's true actually, because there are rarely technical mistakes on BBC World News - they, like the national news, have time to rehearse the complete TOTH sequence, about 5 minutes before it happens for real. This means that the presenter is sure they can fit the headlines into the 5sec spaces in the vamp, and it also gives the gallery a chance to get everything in the right order.
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A former member
A Major Setup posted:

Servers don't crash for no reason - there is always human error or complete incompetence involved somewhere down the line.


Well, servers usually crash due to errors in their software - because a particular set of circumstances trigger a bug causing the controlling software to fall over. The team in the gallery can hardly be blamed for this.

Given that you have absolutely no idea of what was happening in the gallery at the time of the 1600 headlines, your accusations of incompetence are ill-judged and indeed sound rather bitter - have you perhaps been turned down for jobs by the BBC in the past?

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