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(December 2001)

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CA
cat
As a rule News 24 reports political stories quicker than their rivals if they are leaked reports - usually are - to the BBC. It wouldn't surprise me if the news was leaked to the BBC before being officially announced.

This happened the other day with the Omagh bombing report, that's not yet been released.
Information in the report was leaked to the BBC and reported at exactly 5pm, presumably there was an embargo on the information. It was, however, picked up 2 minutes after the BBC first reported it, by Sky. Sky then went on to organise a live to Belfast faster than the Beeb - which is quite surprising really, considering the BBC had actually been given time to prepare for it! I think the BBC were sited as the source when the news was broken on Sky. The BBC don't tend to do that when the shoe is on the other foot and Sky have a leaked report.

There have been examples of this when Sky has had information leaked to them. Take the annoucement of Camelot holding on to the lottery franchise. All of the media were outside Lottery HQ, and the news was leaked to Sky who went on to report it about 5 minutes before the decision was announced to the rest of the media.

Anyway, News 24. Well you all know how dearly I love this channel, no seriously, it's not bad.
I'm prepared to be little bit of a diplomat here - can you tell I've had a good day? - and say that the BBC are not doing badly.

Viewing figures have increased dramatically - and justifiably - since the Us have started to itch their rash of terrorism. Sky's have obviously increased too and it's still technically the more popular channel.

The BBC can not make as much of an effort with News 24 as BSkyB can with Sky News. For starters the BBC haven't got a multi-billionaire businessman to bail them out everytime war breaks out, Sky have. The BBC are also accountable to the public. Spending how much BSkyB pump into Sky News each year on BBC News 24 would cause a serious backlash against the BBC.

News 24 will not be shut down because it does - whether you find it boring or not - provide a very worthy public service, and that is, after all, the BBC's remit.

No, I don't like it when there's an event of particular national importance, there are only a few occasions when I can think of events that I have watched on News 24 because Sky has been dreadful. I do find it boring most of the time, it does need more life and a little less smugness about it. It needs to be seen as vital, not 'there', it should not be second to BBC World.
The BBC will always have the problem that it's too big. Sky are lucky, they have one outlet and one outlet alone to provide news for, and so reports can be filed quickly and lives can take place faster than their rivals - usually. The BBC have the problem that there's a huge filtration system before someone can get to air. If it's a BBC Radio reporter they have to go on regional, national and possibly international radio before going on TV, if the BBC Radio reporter is the only person there then therein lies your problem.

It does need to be more interesting, a bit more life etc. But the BBC produces some truely excellent reports, and in all fairness so do Sky.
However, in recent years I think the BBC has lost too much of its talent. A lot of reporters have lefty for the likes of The Independent and The Guardian and that's a great shame because half of them are bloody useless at writing. Polly Toynbee is the prime example of this, I can't stand her writing, I think she's irritatingly patronising, but have a look at her report (on BBC News Online) from 1993, when the Bulger killers were released. She surely has to be the best social affairs editor the broadcasting industry has ever seen. It's just a shame she's been lost to The Guardian.
Contrast Toynbee's report to the sort of report you get today. There is - whether you notice it or not - a large difference.

Toynbee's report is available here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1394000/1394595.stm

Look near to the bottom of the page.

News 24 do nurture talent, look at Sian Williams and Montague if you want some proof. A once unheard of News 24 presenter is now set to be fronting the Today programme, that's not bad going if you ask me. But then again Sky breeds loyalty, it's presenters either die or retire, very few of them defect. It still has the largest amount of original launch presenters of any major news channel of its age.

There will always be this comparison between the two, I'm the worst offender for making comparisons, but News 24 is The Independent of the 24 hour news channel world, it has - as I am continually reminded about The Inde, despite the fact that I read it every day - 'Limited Resources'.
MG
MikeG
My God, more words than War and Peace! Lol!

Sorry, do take your point and agree with you on most!
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Ste Founding member
DAS posted:
. Above all, it provides BBC News 24 hours a day - and that's what I want.


But 5? hours are shared with BBC World and another 1/2 is ABC World News.
GA
Gary Founding member
I prefer BBC World myself, but because I don't have it, I resort to News 24!
BU
burblebrox
I must admit I enjoy both, although News 24 edges it for me simply because it doesn't have adverts, and I agree with earlier posts about the redesign, especially the shouty GRAPHICS!

Sky do have a good reputation for being nimble when the stories break, and c@t is absolutely right about the Omagh report, once the BBC broke the story, it seemed to stand still, while Sky went into it's well rehearsed reaction routine.

It works both ways though - I remember being astonished after the Concorde crash that Sky didn't have pictures of the crash site or the plane taking off in flames until 25 minutes after BBC World/News 24.
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harshy Founding member
BBC News 24 is OK, but needs idents like BBC World and better use of BBC News graphics, for example BBC World has a LIVE caption at the top left, and the usual bottom left, why dosen't BBC News 24 do that.

BBC News 24 don't seem to promote News Interactive very well, and they could put their website details on the BBC News 24 ident at the bottom middle.

And why do BBC News 24 use different vision making to that of BBC National News and BBC World News?

(Edited by harshy at 9:03 pm on Dec. 11, 2001)
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Martin Founding member
harshy posted:
BBC BBC World has a LIVE caption at the top left, and the usual bottom left, why dosen't BBC News 24 do that.



Ive always wondered what is the difference between the two and when she each one be used?
PE
Pete Founding member
(Edited by Hymagumba at 9:46 pm on Dec. 11, 2001)
ST
Ste Founding member
Why dont BBC News 24 and World just use the same graphics? That would make sence and maybe save abit of money.

Also will Sky World News ever return or are Sky News maybe trying to make all their news more international?

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